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Old 07-10-2012, 11:24 PM   #181
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Randomly when I am releasing the clutch starting off in first gear, my truck bounces around. Sometimes at a ridiculous magnitude. I've been driving manuals all my life, and this truck for 13 years, so I know it's not my driving. Plus like I said it only happens randomly.

I tired diagnosing it to see if it only happened when the tires are super cold in winter... or humid, or arid, or hot... Climate has no bearing on this. Nor does the temp of the engine. It happens when the engine is cold, or operating at normal temps.

Is this bouncing around a symptom of axle wrap? My truck has been doing this for years.
Mine kinda did the something. Just did this mod yesterday and it stopped 85% of all the shuttering IT WORKS
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I did both front and back clamps too. Basically I positioned the clamps as far from the axel as possible, but still so the clamp was grabbing all three leafs. There's probably 2 inches sticking out beyond the clamps on the shortest of the three leafs.
Did mine exactly like this tonight and it works perfectly...no more axle wrap.
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If anybody is wondering, here's the clamp kit I bought:

Oh, and thats the same kit i used.
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Does this mod reduce the articulation off-roading, the drop the rear suspension needs to keep both rear tires on the ground?
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Does this mod reduce the articulation off-roading, the drop the rear suspension needs to keep both rear tires on the ground?
Not sure about how it affects flexing but it does make the back stiffer, so im guessing it will affect it.
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Old 09-18-2012, 04:28 PM   #186
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Hey everyone, i have a 2012 Taco that has the 3 leaf set. Since off the lot it squats bad on acceleration and feels kinda weak in the rear. I want to stiffen up the rear with this mod, but i also noticed some guys said it helped with shudder? my truck has the dreaded shudder on acceleration and braking. Would this mod help that as well? i can only think the shudder is exacerbated because of axle wrap since it changes driveline angles. since its mostly on acceleration i feel this vibration, would it be right to put the clamps behind the axle instead of the front since when you accelerate the axle turns up so the springs fan at the back?
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Old 09-18-2012, 05:22 PM   #187
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I know this is the 1st gen section but I have a 2nd gen also and added my old set of under-leaf helper springs to the front and a set of overleaf helpers to the back. It definitely makes a difference without making the ride harsh.
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Old 09-18-2012, 08:41 PM   #188
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I always wondered why I didn't have the horrible axle wrap everyone always talks about and I have 1" lift blocks on stock springs

I installed similar helper springs about 6 years ago when I was pulling a heavy trailer everyday. Only difference is mine seem to be a little more vehicle specific and are mounted behind the axle and on top of the leaf spring(see photo below). They are now loosened up almost completely since I don't really tow much anymore but they are still on there and I still have zero axle wrap.


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Does this mod reduce the articulation off-roading, the drop the rear suspension needs to keep both rear tires on the ground?
Mine seems to do pretty well and my shocks are too short as well.





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Old 10-10-2012, 07:23 PM   #189
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great write up. I installed the advance auto parts under leaf helpers today behind the axle and I also bought the extra U bolts and mounted before axle. I'm still hearing the THUD when i shift into drive from reverse but i did notice it happens less often and is a little quieter. also my rear suspension is super stiff now so tomorrow i'm going to re-do it. I'm going to take out the rivets for the "medium" load lowering the load capacity to a "small" and adjust the distances between the four U bolts and the axle.
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great write up. I installed the advance auto parts under leaf helpers today behind the axle and I also bought the extra U bolts and mounted before axle. I'm still hearing the THUD when i shift into drive from reverse but i did notice it happens less often and is a little quieter. also my rear suspension is super stiff now so tomorrow i'm going to re-do it. I'm going to take out the rivets for the "medium" load lowering the load capacity to a "small" and adjust the distances between the four U bolts and the axle.
thats probably your drive shaft
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Old 10-11-2012, 10:23 PM   #191
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thats probably your drive shaft
so should i grease it? and if so how and what do i use?

for now i removed the leaf helper, placed the u bolts in front of axle 5in and in rear of axle about 1/4 from break line
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That hardware stack up needs a flat washer really bad or the lock washer won't do it's job right. It already doesn't look like the nut's properly tightened, maybe because it's not seated right.

Just sayin'...

Otherwise, for as cheap as those helpers are it looks like something I'm gonna try some day... good write up!
Just an FYI, you never should use a flat washer with a lock washer. It defeats the purpose of a lock washer. The lock washer edges are designed to bite into the nut, and the surface you are tightening against. If you put a flat washer under the locking washer, then the lock washer will bite into the nut and the flat washer....which is simply pressed against the surface. This would allow the POTENTIAL (Re-read that word, I did not say guarantee) that a nut installed this way could loosen up.
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Old 10-15-2012, 05:46 AM   #194
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Just did this mod tonight...axle wrap gone and it definitely improved the ride and throttle response. AWESOME!!!

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This U bolt clamping of the leaf spring pak
is the worst bandaide idea I've read of.
possibly even unsafe

mfg'r designed leaf spring u bracket clamps are not U bolt clamps...
and do not sandwich (clamp) individual leafs together.
usually the lower U bracket is riveted to a lower leaf in the pack
and the upper closure of that is a roller (bolt w/roller sleeve)

individual leafs that are clamped cannot flex properly during compression.
this can cause a bouncier ride at the rear.
because the individual leafs in the pak are binding.

when individual leafs in a pack are compressed...
not only do they bend (flex)...
but they also shift outward of the center of the leaf pack.

installing U bolt clamps to limit leaf spring movement...
isn't a proper correction for axle wrap.

I had Deaver custom build me some 9lf paks...
with consideration of the common axle wrap issue.
What was engineered, eliminated axle wrap to nearly nonexistent.
and with minimal compromising of the leaf paks full flexibility.

Generally most axle wrap occurs at the forward end of the leaf pak.
There, the leaf pak will twist and arch when under load.
Stiffening up the forward side of the leaf pak will help
in combating axle wrap.
Too stiff tho' and it could degrade compression/droop travel some.

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Spring clamps will work. They're not unsafe, they are cheap, and they will likely wear out your spring pack quicker than other options.

A traction bar is the best fix for the axle wrap issue; understandably many people may not want to go to the cost and trouble of having one done up right. Unless you're working the truck hard offroad or regularly towing heavy loads, it's probably not needed.
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^ X2 ...but not the more common ladder type traction bars.

more similar to this single trac bar...



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Nah...you need the ladder frame type. A single bar heimed at each end won't effectively limit axle housing rotation. Putting one end on a less flexible joint (say, just a bolt and bushing) might be adequate, but will likely bind with suspension articulation.

Ladder-type bar rigidly mounted to the axle housing with a heim/shackle connection to a frame crossmember is ideal on these trucks.
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Nah...you need the ladder frame type. A single bar heimed at each end won't effectively limit axle housing rotation.
I typed single... meaning... only one

Not a single bar (tube)

yes I suppose a "A" frame could still be considered a ladder bar
so that was a poor choice in wording on my part.

that is why I put the picture up.
tho' maybe not a perfect example... it brings it closer.
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