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Old 09-11-2011, 02:38 PM   #41
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Alright, Thanks! Going to try this tonight. I've changed out 3 sets of cv's within the past year. Hopefully this will work for for me.


What lift do you have on the truck?

Edit: You're running what I'm running. I wonder why your blowing through Cv's so fast? Just the boot tearing?
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Yep same setup haha. Yeah the boots just keep tearing, the 3rd time it wasn't because of the lift though. Toyota tore it when my dad took it into the dealership for maintenance while I was out of state, and they wouldn't own up to it. Proved to me why I don't let anyone work on my truck but myself...
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If you seal them up with rtv sealant and really clamp them down tight, they aren't going anywhere
just making sure that i understand this correctly... should the rtv sealant be applied to where the axle/boot meets or where the boot/clamp meets?

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hmm... so the description sounds like the sealant should be applied to where the axle/boot meet.
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just making sure that i understand this correctly... should the rtv sealant be applied to where the axle/boot meets or where the boot/clamp meets?

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http://www.permatex.com/products/aut...et_Sealant.htm
hmm... so the description sounds like the sealant should be applied to where the axle/boot meet.
Yes, apply to shaft then slide boot over it. Clean the shaft first.
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Yes, apply to shaft then slide boot over it. Clean the shaft first.
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your putting gasket sealer on your boots? is it leaking? someone needs to learn how to turn a wrench harder.

"Not recommended for use with cut rubber gaskets" so it could work...or you could make a mess.
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Kinky operation.

Sealant helps to make a bond. Only so tight you want to make the clamps before they start to cut into the boot.
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Kinky operation.

Sealant helps to make a bond. Only so tight you want to make the clamps before they start to cut into the boot.
sealant makes a bond yes...it doesn't make a bond strong enough to withstand any kind of force...gasket sealers are put in place to keep liquids and oil from escaping where ever they are applied. the grease in our cv axles is thick enough you don't need sealant which is the reason our cv axles from the factory don't use sealant. The sealant is suppose to be smushed (for lack of a better word) in between 2 seperate pieces to SEAL a bond not MAKE/HOLD a bond. besides with the two opposing forces of the cv boot and axle (back to the whole MAKE/HOLD bonding thing here)i feel the sealant would act more as a grease (at first) than anything that would aid in the bond between boot and axle shaft... it would also make a huge mess because as you wait for it to dry i promise you will be able to sit there and look at your boot slide back up the axle because as i said before the sealant would act more like a grease (at first it would until it dried) . its been proving to work without it, the factory does not use it i'm not going to use it.
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sealant makes a bond yes...it doesn't make a bond strong enough to withstand any kind of force...gasket sealers are put in place to keep liquids and oil from escaping where ever they are applied. the grease in our cv axles is thick enough you don't need sealant which is the reason our cv axles from the factory don't use sealant. The sealant is suppose to be smushed (for lack of a better word) in between 2 seperate pieces to SEAL a bond not MAKE/HOLD a bond. besides with the two opposing forces of the cv boot and axle (back to the whole MAKE/HOLD bonding thing here)i feel the sealant would act more as a grease (at first) than anything that would aid in the bond between boot and axle shaft... it would also make a huge mess because as you wait for it to dry i promise you will be able to sit there and look at your boot slide back up the axle because as i said before the sealant would act more like a grease (at first it would until it dried) . its been proving to work without it, the factory does not use it i'm not going to use it.
Yeah, those are my thoughts too. I didn't use any sealant either, just cleaned the shaft, stretched the boots down and clampted them tight.

I'll keep a close watch, but I don't foresee any grease escaping do the seal of the clamp itself.
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sealant makes a bond yes...it doesn't make a bond strong enough to withstand any kind of force...gasket sealers are put in place to keep liquids and oil from escaping where ever they are applied. the grease in our cv axles is thick enough you don't need sealant which is the reason our cv axles from the factory don't use sealant. The sealant is suppose to be smushed (for lack of a better word) in between 2 seperate pieces to SEAL a bond not MAKE/HOLD a bond. besides with the two opposing forces of the cv boot and axle (back to the whole MAKE/HOLD bonding thing here)i feel the sealant would act more as a grease (at first) than anything that would aid in the bond between boot and axle shaft... it would also make a huge mess because as you wait for it to dry i promise you will be able to sit there and look at your boot slide back up the axle because as i said before the sealant would act more like a grease (at first it would until it dried) . its been proving to work without it, the factory does not use it i'm not going to use it.
I put a slight dab around my cv boot and on the hose clamp nut to help keep it in place.

It's not going to hurt anything, why not?
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It's not going to hurt anything, why not?
true but it also isn't going to doing anything.
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sealant makes a bond yes...it doesn't make a bond strong enough to withstand any kind of force...gasket sealers are put in place to keep liquids and oil from escaping where ever they are applied. the grease in our cv axles is thick enough you don't need sealant which is the reason our cv axles from the factory don't use sealant. The sealant is suppose to be smushed (for lack of a better word) in between 2 seperate pieces to SEAL a bond not MAKE/HOLD a bond. besides with the two opposing forces of the cv boot and axle (back to the whole MAKE/HOLD bonding thing here)i feel the sealant would act more as a grease (at first) than anything that would aid in the bond between boot and axle shaft... it would also make a huge mess because as you wait for it to dry i promise you will be able to sit there and look at your boot slide back up the axle because as i said before the sealant would act more like a grease (at first it would until it dried) . its been proving to work without it, the factory does not use it i'm not going to use it.
You are correct, the factory doesn't use a bonding agent because the boots are made for the correct length without having to be stretched. There is no need to seal them up because thats the job of the rubber boot.

For me, when I first re-clamped the boot without RTV, I was able to spin the boot a little with my hand with some force. Same result with factory and screw type clamps. So, I decided to use RTV as described above. Obviously you don't goober it up with sealant... just enough to coat the rod. Clamped it and let it sit till the next day. The relocated boots have over 3k miles and a couple of wheeling trips on them now without any movement.

You can do what you want but the sealant method worked for me and there is no downside to using it.
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You are correct, the factory doesn't use a bonding agent because the boots are made for the correct length without having to be stretched. There is no need to seal them up because thats the job of the rubber boot.

For me, when I first re-clamped the boot without RTV, I was able to spin the boot a little with my hand with some force. Same result with factory and screw type clamps. So, I decided to use RTV as described above. Obviously you don't goober it up with sealant... just enough to coat the rod. Clamped it and let it sit till the next day. The relocated boots have over 3k miles and a couple of wheeling trips on them now without any movement.

You can do what you want but the sealant method worked for me and there is no downside to using it.
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ehh not really you just didn't clamp the boot down tight enough. I am not saying your going to f*** stuff up using it I am just saying it isn't needed. You need to cut into the boot to a slight degree in order for it to hold correctly. Really hand tight with your standard 3/8th wrench and socket is plenty to hold the boot down and keep the grease in.

pAP… the fact that the boots don’t come stretched from the factory doesn’t affect our sealant debate at all. In fact if you where going to use sealant it would be better used with the boots in the stock position, when you stretch the boot it creates a inwards force trying to pull the boot back on its self into its stock position. Like I said before gasket sealer is not meant to combat any kind of force, it’s meant to seal (you could say its sealing your grease in but for that purpose it has been proven by others as unnecessary and not needed. Just read the damn label or look to those with experience to see that gasket sealer is USELESS against any kind of force between the two surfaces its sealing)... So using it in our modified position is less affective than in stock position because of the now present forces try to pull the boot apart.

Now I’m going to be on your side for a sec… If you are not having troubles it is because you tightened down your clamp tight enough not because your sealant is there. Grease got on your axle shaft during the mod and made the boot slip at first. You applied sealant and it stopped moving. Ok what happens when the sealant breaks down? (I am pretty sure it said on the warning not to use with rubber) YOUR BOOT SLIPS AGAIN….so plan and simple the sealant hurts nothing and does nothing, if it makes you feel better go for it but I don’t see it as any more than a waste of sealant.

i cant believe we are doing this by the way.

also last thing...i have 19k on my boots and they have not moved a bit. so i win that one
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Not true about tightening the boot clamp down tight enough. With the screw clamps, you can clamp to kingdom come but will will start to cut the boot which was my case. No need to argue the fact. At that point, they still were not tight enough. With the factory clamps, you can only tighten to a certain amount of force because thats how they are designed. I'm sure sure you know that though. The second time around, with RTV, I used factory clamps which worked perfectly.

Like I said, do what you want with the info you have. In "my case" I used sealant as described above. Worked for me, and that's it. The screw clamps had sharp edges that I thought put too much stress on the boot for the force required. That's why I used factory clamps.

This really is a silly argument and people should do what they want here. Either way may or may not work fine.

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your putting gasket sealer on your boots? is it leaking? someone needs to learn how to turn a wrench harder.

"Not recommended for use with cut rubber gaskets" so it could work...or you could make a mess.
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sealant makes a bond yes...it doesn't make a bond strong enough to withstand any kind of force...gasket sealers are put in place to keep liquids and oil from escaping where ever they are applied. the grease in our cv axles is thick enough you don't need sealant which is the reason our cv axles from the factory don't use sealant. The sealant is suppose to be smushed (for lack of a better word) in between 2 seperate pieces to SEAL a bond not MAKE/HOLD a bond. besides with the two opposing forces of the cv boot and axle (back to the whole MAKE/HOLD bonding thing here)i feel the sealant would act more as a grease (at first) than anything that would aid in the bond between boot and axle shaft... it would also make a huge mess because as you wait for it to dry i promise you will be able to sit there and look at your boot slide back up the axle because as i said before the sealant would act more like a grease (at first it would until it dried) . its been proving to work without it, the factory does not use it i'm not going to use it.
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ehh not really you just didn't clamp the boot down tight enough. I am not saying your going to f*** stuff up using it I am just saying it isn't needed. You need to cut into the boot to a slight degree in order for it to hold correctly. Really hand tight with your standard 3/8th wrench and socket is plenty to hold the boot down and keep the grease in.

pAP… the fact that the boots don’t come stretched from the factory doesn’t affect our sealant debate at all. In fact if you where going to use sealant it would be better used with the boots in the stock position, when you stretch the boot it creates a inwards force trying to pull the boot back on its self into its stock position. Like I said before gasket sealer is not meant to combat any kind of force, it’s meant to seal (you could say its sealing your grease in but for that purpose it has been proven by others as unnecessary and not needed. Just read the damn label or look to those with experience to see that gasket sealer is USELESS against any kind of force between the two surfaces its sealing)... So using it in our modified position is less affective than in stock position because of the now present forces try to pull the boot apart.

Now I’m going to be on your side for a sec… If you are not having troubles it is because you tightened down your clamp tight enough not because your sealant is there. Grease got on your axle shaft during the mod and made the boot slip at first. You applied sealant and it stopped moving. Ok what happens when the sealant breaks down? (I am pretty sure it said on the warning not to use with rubber) YOUR BOOT SLIPS AGAIN….so plan and simple the sealant hurts nothing and does nothing, if it makes you feel better go for it but I don’t see it as any more than a waste of sealant.

i cant believe we are doing this by the way.

also last thing...i have 19k on my boots and they have not moved a bit. so i win that one
SO DONT USE SEALANT ON YOURS!!! OMG QUIT ARGUING FOR NO REASON!!! I USED SEALANT ON MINE AND I LIKE IT THAT WAY!!!!
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I think its crazy people think I’m taking this seriously. pAP you used factory clamps instead of hose clamps that's part of the reason your boot slipped, because you can only go so tight with those (just like you said). Its also okay to cut into the boot a little, I feel like you guys think if the boot gets cut into the world is over. It’s a rubber boot who cares if you have to tighten it down and cut into it a little bit. Don’t go cutting the thing in half obviously.

In almost all my posts I have said that I don't care if you use sealant or not, do what floats your boat they way I see it no one has really won yet and its probably best if we leave it that way as no one including me have been able to prove a solid point with factual evidence proving sealant or no sealant. I keep beating the dead horse because I do not think its necessary, my truck is proof its not necessary. If sealant give you peace of mind...SEAL THAT SOM BITCH UP!!!!!!! I really do not care just voicing my opinion.

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Now that has been said…I keep “going” with this because I have yet to see a reason to use sealant other than “..well I used it and nothing happened so you should too” I have tried to at least explain why I believe you shouldn’t use it and no one has really tried to prove me wrong other than telling me about their personal experience. In retro spec nothing beats experience, nothing. I feel it didn’t work for pAP because he didn’t use the hose clamps. If you want to use factory clamps and sealant go ahead if you use hose clamps you wont need sealant, my truck is proof, my dads truck is proof as are many other trucks here on Tacoma world. All done sorry guys
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