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95.5 and 96 3.4 tacoma TURBO problem!!!

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by GioGuitarDude, Sep 11, 2013.

  1. Apr 17, 2014 at 3:14 PM
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    Road use only for me. Got the 4x4 just in case I need it. For off road use ground clearance is not a issue like gio said. Water in the filter might be an issue so if I was a offroader I can probably make a snorkel or something. The show Trucks! Installed a sts kit on a tacoma and put the filter the beds tool box.
     
  2. Apr 17, 2014 at 4:43 PM
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    Or any kind of water..I live in Florida and I'd say about 95% of the time we go out there are huge puddles you have to go through.
     
  3. Apr 17, 2014 at 4:50 PM
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    Cool deal. It looks like a awesome setup. How much more power are you guys getting over the S/C with a 7th injector?
     
  4. Apr 17, 2014 at 8:19 PM
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    Yeah water might be an issue but only if it goes more than halfway up the bed.
     
  5. Apr 17, 2014 at 8:51 PM
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    I'm actually just lazy right now. I'll eventually tune the secondary injectors with the mapecu3. Haven't been on the dyno and don't plan to anytime soon. Got too much things going on so I haven't had much time for the truck.
     
  6. Apr 17, 2014 at 8:59 PM
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    Oh man,,the carnage. Even at 8psi boost and a good douse of water jammed thru the intake. Your conn rods would look like question marks and it would probably spit the head off in 4 big chunks.
     
  7. Apr 17, 2014 at 10:35 PM
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    I'll post pictures of my blown up motor once it blows up on me. Hahaha.
     
  8. Apr 18, 2014 at 5:24 AM
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    The meth system should help reduce fuel injector's duty cycle a bit. You want a low AFR to protect against pinging. The extra fuel doesn't actually burn but rather helps cool the combustion chamber. If you are running a properly tuned meth system, you can dial back the injectors in boost and safely run a bit higher AFR. I couldnt say how much you can dial back and what that will translate into as far as your injectors go but it helps.

    That said, def recommend upgrading injectors.
     
  9. Apr 18, 2014 at 11:48 AM
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    I hear you there man... My problem is a combination of that and not having the $$$ to get it done :D. I'm def getting a mapecu3 though
     
  10. Apr 18, 2014 at 9:11 PM
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    Without tuning the power is still pretty lame.... but the same goes for SC too. I'd still give the max potential to the turbo kit. 12 psi on a SC delivers around the same power as a turbo kit at 8psi since the charge air is much hotter and it leaches power from the engine. For a reliable 400k mile truck I would go SC all day but a turbo isn't that far behind... a front mount that is.
    I can't wait to put this turbo up front :)
     
  11. Apr 19, 2014 at 12:57 PM
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    If running forced induction s/c or especially turbo on oem injectors I would limit it to 4-5psi max. The ability to tune fuel and timing can only get you so far and amount of fuel you can inject will limit you as well as knock threshold. Going larger on injector size helps but also becomes more difficult to tune with increasing size.
    On the 5vz a 440cc primary is about all you can go but are more difficult to tune. I had 318cc primary and water/meth on mine for mix of tuneability and power potential. Made over 420whp 500wtq with this setup. Did not dd at this power level. dd at 9psi just over 300whp and race/track/dragstrip 12-16psi with water/meth on to make up for fuel injector limitations. Used washer fluid that was 33% alcohol and 700-1000cc/min worth of nozzles to get there.
    For reference trd sc made just over 300whp 12-14psi where turbo does same with 8-9psi. Only place trd sc beat my turbo in power was below 18-1900rpm. From there up turbo all the way!
    Also anything approaching 300whp in these trucks traction really becomes an issue so this is a realistic number to shoot for on a dd street truck. Mid-high 300whp levels traction is challenged in 4wd. Best I ran with trd sc in 1/8th was high 8's with a little spin in 4wd and with turbo was 7.77 spinning a good bit in 4wd!
     
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    Here is the water solenoid and pressure switch.

    The hobbs switch is for the sts turbo oil pump. And the one that is next to the firewall is for the meth.

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    Here is the nozzle. (Devilsown 2gph).
    Methanol activation switch (oznium).
    And led idiot lights. Red low level and green turns on when the pump is on.

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    Random other pictures I took today.
    Hi/Lo switch for the STS oil pump
    Overall shot of the engine (the cream color box on corner left is my auxiliary fuse box)
    Phone Mic for the bluetooth pioneer stereo
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  16. Apr 19, 2014 at 9:37 PM
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    Get rid of that big blue ufo/fmu, move your maf to where you have a longer straight section before it or get an air straightener in front of it, keep boost low, increase nozzle size and run that water meth in boost. Hope you have cold plugs, tstat, and high octane in that baby too. And tune that baby so you can turn up tha boost safely! It looks like a disaster waiting to happen..... Glad the 5vz is a tough one..... Would love to know what your afrs look like at x psi now running only oem injectors water/meth or not and no tuning.....
     
  17. Apr 20, 2014 at 11:43 AM
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    Hey trdtoy, I got my port fueler on eBay from a guy from NC. Was that yours? I think my tuning issue are from the 50lb injectors. I'm probably going to go with 27lb.
     
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    Dude you just made my day!!!!!!!! :)jerkoff:)
    You have me salivating man.
    With 318cc primary injectors (which I have in) and 350cc injectors in the port fueler (which I have in) then it looks like 420 whp is very much obtainable without meth injection and running a wee rich on a nice tune to prevent ping. I'd be very much happy at a maximum 350 whp and 12~psi, but I'm going to take advantage of every horse I can get from everything I've bought. Did you use the stock MAF or get some sort of MAF intercept to MAP ECU?

    I'm sure the bigger supra MAF I have on can handle 12psi but it would be nice to do things properly.

    So I guess all I need now is the CX headers/downpipe and a mapECU3 to control the extra injectors (I'm pretty much done with dealing with this SplitSecond/URD crap) and a new 3" exhaust system (which realistically I can rig myself)

    Did you take your truck to a dyno tuner to tune your stock ECU, or did you get a standalone for that?

    Per your knowledge, what do you suggest I do that I haven't yet mentioned to get my truck at 350whp as a DD?
     
  19. Apr 20, 2014 at 1:07 PM
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    Looks like a pretty solid setup man! I can't wait to see it tuned and stuff... It's gona be impressive with meth/water AND the extra injectors working. I just ordered those same spark plug wires too

    Where did you get that trim pod for your gauges? All the ones I've found looked like they would fit pretty cheesy but yours looks legit
     
  20. Apr 20, 2014 at 1:50 PM
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    Pod pillars are lotek. They don't line up that well to the preexisting holes so I used a self tapping screw to mount them (I just used one screw). Still a little gap at the top but I could live with it. Oh yeah the I had to force the shit out of the gauges to fit them in the pods.
     

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