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Old 10-16-2013, 07:25 PM   #21
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Forcing me to spend more money! When I get my 33s I guess I will get another alignment and have them do 3*.
You lifted on stock UCA's? You're going to need aftermarket UCA's if you want that much caster, the techs can't get both your camber and caster in spec because of the lack of adjust-ability at the upper ball joint.
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You lifted on stock UCA's? You're going to need aftermarket UCA's if you want that much caster, the techs can't get both your camber and caster in spec because of the lack of adjust-ability at the upper ball joint.
Yeah. Guess I will just live with it until I get new uppers.
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try replacing the sway bar bushings with polyurethane ones easy and cheap to do in your driveway,it helped my truck feel tighter even after I replaced the rack bushings it felt loose. Your steering rack is bad only if it leaks steering fluid all over .
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try replacing the sway bar bushings with polyurethane ones easy and cheap to do in your driveway,it helped my truck feel tighter even after I replaced the rack bushings it felt loose. Your steering rack is bad only if it leaks steering fluid all over .
Sway bar bushings would help the truck react faster to steering inputs which does make it feel tighter, but they wouldn't change the way the steering itself feels at all.
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1st GEN Toyota trucks always have had a very sensitive front end once you start adding on lift kits and 33 inch tires it amplifies the loose steering wheel feeling
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Old 10-16-2013, 07:51 PM   #26
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1st GEN Toyota trucks always have had a very sensitive front end once you start adding on lift kits and 33 inch tires it amplifies the loose steering wheel feeling
Yes because you can't get the caster in spec with a lift unless you get aftermarket UCA's.
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try replacing the sway bar bushings with polyurethane ones easy and cheap to do in your driveway,it helped my truck feel tighter even after I replaced the rack bushings it felt loose. Your steering rack is bad only if it leaks steering fluid all over .
I took the sway bar off. Might put it back on for winter though.
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You need more caster if you want a more solid wheel at speed, simple as that. Try and get that closer to 3*.



What makes you say that? Have you already welded the slip joint and made sure your tie rods are good?
Because when you turn the wheel back and forth you can feel and hear the lash in the rack. Tie rods and all steering components are good. The loose steering has gotten worse over the last year. Also a small leak on the left side, noticed it when i pulled the bellow's off to check tie rods.
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From your gallery photo on Oct 5, you installed wide wheel spacers? This effectively increases the tire's leverage over the front suspension kingpin axis and can cause the looseness you feel at speed. Look up "scrub radius" in the suspension design books if you are interested to learn more.

To compensate, get an alignment and dial in a small amount of toe-in, and get as much caster as possible without screwing up camber.

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I thought that was just part of the beast when lifting and getting wider tires?
I'm still rolling on stock tires. I've been lifted since June and it wasn't this bad until recently.

And yes, just did wheel spacers and now I get issues.
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Same problem here. Was terrible before I lifted it. After lifting I changed rack bushings and tie rod ends while getting an alignment. Felt great for about a week and it's just as bad as it was before. Driving with any sort of wind is almost scary. Eve Driving without wind makes me look drunk I bet
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I'm still rolling on stock tires. I've been lifted since June and it wasn't this bad until recently.

And yes, just did wheel spacers and now I get issues.
Well that explains it. If you engage 4H on pavement, you should also see more torque steer, again because the tires now have more authority.
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Same problem here. Was terrible before I lifted it. After lifting I changed rack bushings and tie rod ends while getting an alignment. Felt great for about a week and it's just as bad as it was before. Driving with any sort of wind is almost scary. Eve Driving without wind makes me look drunk I bet
Wow, that doesn't sound safe/fun haha

Mine was fine, a little less control after the lift, then more walking after the bigger tires. Now that I've been on a lot of trails, rocks, and a couple jumps I need to replace my tie-rods...
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Forcing me to spend more money! When I get my 33s I guess I will get another alignment and have them do 3*.
Caster, caster and more caster.

And don't let the alignment tech tell you it's in spec at 1.6-1.7*. Those specs apply to a non-lifted Tacoma. 3 degrees of caster will give you that heavy steering wheel feel and you'll actually be able to safely let go of the wheel or take you eyes off the road for a moment.
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These are my most recent alignment specs. As close as they could get with the frozen tie-rod. Opinions?
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It sounds like I can't get 3* with stock ball joints.

Guess I'll have to trade a full set of skid plates for some UCAs once I get my transfer skid all figured out.
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These are my most recent alignment specs. As close as they could get with the frozen tie-rod. Opinions?
The caster is about as good as you can get with stock UCAs. Is the steering twitchy at highway speeds? The toe is a little off if its in the red. This might be a result of the tech trying to get as high a caster as possible at the cost of the other two settings.

The toe setting has the biggest impact on tire wear.
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