95-2K rust help from toyota

[Dave]

Originally Posted by TacoTaker

They are NOT doing the same thing



You are correct.
Those trucks that will be bought back... will be bought at 100%... versus the 150% for the older trucks.
Also, no cashback loyalty certificate, to be used for purchasing a new or certified used Toyota, is being offered.



Toyota has been buying back 01 to 04 trucks since at least August '08. The policy change to repair or replace frames only came down in December '08.
The emphasis on the 01-04 trucks will be to repair or replace the frame. Some will still be bought back.
Sixty (60) hrs of labor is allotted to the dealer for each frame replacement. (Keep that in mind at the smaller dealerships if they have 4 or 5 trucks queued up awaiting a frame replacement)
Patience will be your friend. From frame inspection - to approval - to replacing the frame will not be a short process.

They are still great trucks!

Where is all this info from?

Do you have a url for this or a copy of a letter sent to an owner?

Dealer service bulletin or is this what you have been told?

[tigerfan00]

Originally Posted by Dave

Where is all this info from?

Do you have a url for this or a copy of a letter sent to an owner?

Dealer service bulletin or is this what you have been told?

heres a link to a letter posted here

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/1st...tml#post290472

and it was posted on many other tacoma related sites...several people have verified that this is legitimate

to clarify though, the ones that were being bought back previous to dec 08 were primarily 2001 and they were being bought back at 100% of KBB instead of 150%...this was verified by several members on a couple other boards

its only recently been acknowledged by Toyota that this rust issue affects all years 1995.5-2004 depending on where in the country your truck spent time/you live etc

as it stands i probably WONT see a rust issue with my frame (tho i do worry about it) because my truck has never spent any considerable time in a high road salt use state

[Dave]

Originally Posted by tigerfan00

heres a link to a letter posted here

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/1st...tml#post290472

and it was posted on many other tacoma related sites...several people have verified that this is legitimate

to clarify though, the ones that were being bought back previous to dec 08 were primarily 2001 and they were being bought back at 100% of KBB instead of 150%...this was verified by several members on a couple other boards

its only recently been acknowledged by Toyota that this rust issue affects all years 1995.5-2004 depending on where in the country your truck spent time/you live etc

as it stands i probably WONT see a rust issue with my frame (tho i do worry about it) because my truck has never spent any considerable time in a high road salt use state

Don't see anything about a buyback, just a new frame.

Also I wonder if the new Taco's have been adequately rustproofed.

[tigerfan00]

Originally Posted by Dave

Don't see anything about a buyback, just a new frame.

Also I wonder if the new Taco's have been adequately rustproofed.

there was nothing official about the 2001 buybacks as it was originally only a select few and those folks just went in and bitched and moaned...

it seems they were the ones who got the ball rolling for the 01-04s to be included in the extended warranty for the frame

[pittim]

My truck has been in PA for it's whole life (I'm pretty sure.)

I'd rather have a new frame on my truck than have it bought back for KBB value. Yeah, I'd probably make money on the deal, but the hassle of finding another one isn't worth it IMO.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by pittim

My truck has been in PA for it's whole life (I'm pretty sure.)

I'd rather have a new frame on my truck than have it bought back for KBB value. Yeah, I'd probably make money on the deal, but the hassle of finding another one isn't worth it IMO.

Ya our deal was real sweet.

Got back almost 7K more than I paid ofr it 2 years earlier.

New cost me my old and about $3500.

[03coma]

Hey Guys I just got back from my local Toyota dealer and after speaking to the service manager, the deal he told me with the 01-04 Tacoma's is replacement frames, they discontinued the buybacks on these years because the frames are still being produced. The 95-2000 trucks frames are not being made anymore that's why there was a buyback.
He also told me that Toyota is going to be supplying them with a corrosion kit, so if your truck does pass they will apply the corrosion application to the exterior and interior of the frames.
I Just have to wait until they get the kits and a few of the mechanics get trained on how and where to apply it to get my 03 frame inspection. He also said they are moving quickly to get the info and supplies out to correct this problem with the Tacoma's

If they do the rust protection on your truck the warranty for rust is extended to 15 yrs unlimited mileage.

[tigerfan00]

Originally Posted by 03coma

If they do the rust protection on your truck the warranty for rust is extended to 15 yrs unlimited mileage.

the way i understood it is the rust warranty is extended to 15 years from inservice date of the truck...unlimited mileage...regardless of whether or not they do the rust/corrosion protectant

[03coma]

Hey Tiger owners in the 20 states affected will have until Oct 31, 2010 to visit their local dealer for an inspection and application of a corrosion-resistant treatment process in order for the extended warranty to be applied to there vehicle.

[tigerfan00]

Originally Posted by 03coma

Hey Tiger owners in the 20 states affected will have until Oct 31, 2010 to visit their local dealer for an inspection and application of a corrosion-resistant treatment process in order for the extended warranty to be applied to there vehicle.

youre right...but for those of us in the other 30 states...we do not have to visit a dealer...our warranty is automatically extended to the 15 year mark

[03coma]

Yea i see where your coming from, but if I was in one of the other 30 states i would not even worry about it. the salt is the problem..

[tigerfan00]

Originally Posted by 03coma

Yea i see where your coming from, but if I was in one of the other 30 states i would not even worry about it. the salt is the problem..

im not but in 5 years...the salt air that someone in one of those other 30 states lives with may start to affect it...or the ridiculous amounts of mud i have caked inside of my frame may start the rusting process

right now...great...but 5 years (even 2) ago...who wouldve thought even those 20 states would be going thru this

[Dave]

Originally Posted by tigerfan00

im not but in 5 years...the salt air that someone in one of those other 30 states lives with may start to affect it...or the ridiculous amounts of mud i have caked inside of my frame may start the rusting process

right now...great...but 5 years (even 2) ago...who wouldve thought even those 20 states would be going thru this

Salt air? Haha.

Here after a storm, you can see piles of salt on the sides of the road.

Does a real number of everything.

You HAVE to wash the truck down after every storm and really kinda get under it to do all the hidden parts on the frame.

[tigerfan00]

Originally Posted by Dave

Salt air? Haha.

Here after a storm, you can see piles of salt on the sides of the road.

Does a real number of everything.

You HAVE to wash the truck down after every storm and really kinda get under it to do all the hidden parts on the frame.

i understand that road salt is worse...thats why im suggesting that it may include the rest of us 5 years down the road instead of now...like yall

the point is that all trucks are included in the extended warranty...just that high risk states have to be inspected immediately

[03coma]

Yea everybody has made a good point on this thread, but I just want to get mine inspected and hope it passes, not a big fan of the whole frame replacement thing. If it fails just show me the money and pont me in the direction of the showroom.

[tigerfan00]

Originally Posted by 03coma

Yea everybody has made a good point on this thread, but I just want to get mine inspected and hope it passes, not a big fan of the whole frame replacement thing. If it fails just show me the money and pont me in the direction of the showroom.

unfortunately i dont think that will be an option for you like it was the 1995.5-2000/01

[03coma]

your right, but if you bitch alittle you never know. You have to know if and when they do these frame replacements the trucks are not the same. forget about the little things that the mechanic's leaves, broken clips scraches on the body ect..

[venturer]

Originally Posted by TacoTaker

The emphasis on the 01-04 trucks will be to repair or replace the frame. Some will still be bought back.
Sixty (60) hrs of labor is allotted to the dealer for each frame replacement. (Keep that in mind at the smaller dealerships if they have 4 or 5 trucks queued up awaiting a frame replacement)
Patience will be your friend. From frame inspection - to approval - to replacing the frame will not be a short process.

Do these northern Toyota dealers have staff to do all these frame replacements? Tying a tech up for 60 hrs is a long time! IMO this frame replacement scheme isn't going to work just due to the sheer volume and overwelming scope of the program. If my Toyota dealer is backed up, what am I supposed to do - take my truck off the road for months and months until it's my turn? This is bullsh!t.

Now who qualifies for the "some to be bought back"? I think Toyota should offer owners the option of either frame replacement or beyond fair buyback. I think they're going to have to do some buyback, just to make the program work. People are not going to wait months to get their vehicles back. The frame replacement is a noble idea, it just isn't going to work in practice.

I'm also skeptical of the other fix - applying an industrial coating to the frames that are still sound. I'm wondering how they're going to thoroughly coat the inside of the troublesome boxed section. On my truck, the loose rust flakes are almost 1/8" deep on the bottom of the boxed section. Call me a flake, but it seems to me they need to get those rust flakes out for the coating to stick. The bottom of that boxed section is where the trouble is - it rusts from the inside out, the rust flakes build up inside the frame, hold moisture, which continually makes the situation worse.

Now in my case, I figure my truck will have over 200,000 miles on it before the frame needs replacement. With that kind of mileage and 8 years of service, I would prefer the option of a buyback, as long as it's a generous number. I already know the starting point for valuing my truck is the cost of the frame and materials and 60 hours of warranty labor.

I'm also wondering that with all these unsafe Tacomas still on the road because of backed up service depts and slow buyback offers, this might spur the Feds to finally force Toyota to issue a full blown safety recall. Hopefully that safety recall will come with the mandate to buy the trucks back at 1.5 blue book, along the same lines of the precedence that Toyota set.

The Tacoma is a great truck, except for that friggin frame. Amazing isn't it? Everything about the truck is great except for the core of the truck -the frame. What a nightmare.

[tigerfan00]

Originally Posted by venturer

Do these northern Toyota dealers have staff to do all these frame replacements? Tying a tech up for 60 hrs is a long time! IMO this frame replacement scheme isn't going to work just due to the sheer volume and overwelming scope of the program. If my Toyota dealer is backed up, what am I supposed to do - take my truck off the road for months and months until it's my turn? This is bullsh!t.

Your toyota dealer SHOULD give you a loaner vehicle while yours is being repaired

Originally Posted by venturer

Now who qualifies for the "some to be bought back"? I think Toyota should offer owners the option of either frame replacement or beyond fair buyback. I think they're going to have to do some buyback, just to make the program work. People are not going to wait months to get their vehicles back. The frame replacement is a noble idea, it just isn't going to work in practice.

1995.5-2000 owners qualify for 1.5x KBB buyback
2001 owners have gotten KBB buyback
2002-2004 owners frames are replaced/repaired

Originally Posted by venturer

I'm also skeptical of the other fix - applying an industrial coating to the frames that are still sound. I'm wondering how they're going to thoroughly coat the inside of the troublesome boxed section. On my truck, the loose rust flakes are almost 1/8" deep on the bottom of the boxed section. Call me a flake, but it seems to me they need to get those rust flakes out for the coating to stick. The bottom of that boxed section is where the trouble is - it rusts from the inside out, the rust flakes build up inside the frame, hold moisture, which continually makes the situation worse.

Now in my case, I figure my truck will have over 200,000 miles on it before the frame needs replacement. With that kind of mileage and 8 years of service, I would prefer the option of a buyback, as long as it's a generous number. I already know the starting point for valuing my truck is the cost of the frame and materials and 60 hours of warranty labor.

if your truck is that bad then they'll replace the frame instead of coating it

Originally Posted by venturer

I'm also wondering that with all these unsafe Tacomas still on the road because of backed up service depts and slow buyback offers, this might spur the Feds to finally force Toyota to issue a full blown safety recall. Hopefully that safety recall will come with the mandate to buy the trucks back at 1.5 blue book, along the same lines of the precedence that Toyota set.

The Tacoma is a great truck, except for that friggin frame. Amazing isn't it? Everything about the truck is great except for the core of the truck -the frame. What a nightmare.

they arent all unsafe and toyota is rectifying the problem as quickly as they can and still stay afloat

The reason they bought back the older ones and arent buying back the new ones is because Dana corp (frame manufacturer) is still building frames for the 2001-2004 truck...they arent making them for the older models

[Cobra69]

I have to agree with Tiger........I think your way over thinking it.........I'm sure Toyota is going to address ALL the issues as they are fully aware of what is going on with the frames. Don't sweat it so much.