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Old 09-02-2013, 09:18 AM   #21
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I'm glad you brought up the issue of cost versus gains because it's worth addressing. How do you feel about the $215 (group) price charged for a 1/2 inch thick spacer that produces one quarter of the effect of a 2 inch thick spacer?
Haha well let's just say I'm lost at why anyone would pay anything for literally no positive gain. And I know you are well aware that just because the hours in r&d were put in doesnt make something worth a lot of money. Results are everything. I'm glad that you showed some results cause I know it sucks to put time, effort, and money into something and it turn out worthless.
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But he had results that are dyno proven

To make it short and sweet:
No, there is no hp/Torque number gains

What is gained tho is that the torque curve is brought on in lower RPM which means you get in your powerband quicker and provides better acceleration. Can he go 130mph now? No. But he can get to 100mph quicker than before.

Make sense??
Huh? My first sentence isn't referring to tooter. Read young one. He asked me a question
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But he had results that are dyno proven

To make it short and sweet:
No, there is no hp/Torque number gains
I saw a nice TQ increase between 2.8-3.2K which would benefit my driving as thats around my shift point now for keeping up with traffic from a light.

What is gained tho is that the torque curve is brought on in lower RPM which means you get in your powerband quicker and provides better acceleration. Can he go 130mph now? No. But he can get to 100mph quicker than before.

Make sense??
I see a personal gain for me from his dyno sheet that fits my driving style.
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I'm glad that you showed some results cause I know it sucks to put time, effort, and money into something and it turn out worthless.
That's one reason I went for the absolutely thickest spacer that would fit within the available space. To make damn sure that it would actually yield a measurable difference. Even at 2 inches the difference is already modest enough, so at one inch or a half inch, the results would have been unconvincingly anemic.

And since everything else is essentially the same except for material costs, a 2 inch spacer gives you the best bang for the buck.
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I'm interested in finding out more.
Ok.
I'll add you to the list. It's not a commitment to buy, just an expression of your interest to help me decide approximately how many spacers will be made.
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I see a personal gain for me from his dyno sheet that fits my driving style.
I'll also add your name to the list.
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I'll also add your name to the list.
If I was keeping my truck I would be all over this.
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Did you ever decide if it helped/hurt your mpg?
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Did you ever decide if it helped/hurt your mpg?
Hadn't done that yet, but just now added up the mileage logs. It's only a very slight increase of 1.6 mpg.

533 miles @22.36 gallons with no spacer 23.8 mpg
519 miles @ 20.388 gallons with the spacer 25.4 mpg

I should be able to get a more accurate profile with more miles driven. From the results, at least I'm sure that it didn't hurt the gas mileage any.

I think the most interesting effect doesn't show up on the dyno charts because they can't go that low. It's starting out slipping the clutch from a full stop. The engine pulls nicely at very low rpms, even below idle speed without stalling, so it doesn't hardly take any throttle to get the truck moving, even with my 5 lug's really high street 3.31 final gearing. This makes it really easy on the clutch, and I think that over time it will last longer.
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I have the 4x4, I wonder if it would lower the tq curve even further bc of gearing.

Did you notice a mpg difference after you added the lce header?
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I have the 4x4, I wonder if it would lower the tq curve even further bc of gearing.
Gearing can't alter the torque curve of the engine. However, gearing can alter how your truck performs. Torque feels different than horsepower.

Horsepower is the ability to gain rpms rapidly... the ability to accelerate.

While torque is the ability to hold a given rpm under a heavy load... the ability to pull.

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Did you notice a mpg difference after you added the lce header?
Couldn't really tell...

... because I bought the truck on April 13th
and installed the header on the 19th!
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Sooooooo interested for the right price ( I'd prolly pay in the 100-200 range)


I do some mild trailering and a lot of driven like a bat out of hell so I'd love more torque in the lower rpm
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Gearing can't alter the torque curve of the engine. However, gearing can alter how your truck performs. Torque feels different than horsepower.

Horsepower is the ability to gain rpms rapidly... the ability to accelerate.

While torque is the ability to hold a given rpm under a heavy load... the ability to pull.



Couldn't really tell...

... because I bought the truck on April 13th
and installed the header on the 19th!
Yea I guess not really lower it but starting/crawling would be even easier than a street geared taco.
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Yea I guess not really lower it but starting/crawling would be even easier than a street geared taco.
Absolutely...
...because with lower gearing, the engine has more mechanical advantage (leverage) over the wheels. For heavier vehicles with heavy large diameter off road wheels, lower gearing offers a tremendous advantage and makes far more difference than any spacer.
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Sooooooo interested for the right price ( I'd prolly pay in the 100-200 range)


I do some mild trailering and a lot of driven like a bat out of hell so I'd love more torque in the lower rpm
Ok. I'll add you to the list...
It's important to understand that the absolute torque peak itself is not increased. That same amount of torque just becomes available at lower rpms which would be of some help when you're pulling a trailer.
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that's the gain? pass.
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that's the gain? pass.
That's fine. It's always good to know that your expectations aren't met before you buy anything. This is just a simple bolt on part. Forced induction will give you the power that you want. That will meet your expectations.

This shows exactlly what gains are. Just 2 ftlbs. more torque at the peak, and the torque peak comes on 250 rpm lower.

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