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SAS or IFS conversion

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by LVTacoma, Jul 19, 2010.

  1. Jul 19, 2010 at 11:36 AM
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    LVTacoma

    LVTacoma [OP] Well-Known Member

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    Debating on converting my 2wd once I can figure out costs. I know its pricey but it would cost me just as much to trade in and start a whole new loan to get a 4wd 2gen. For all you 4wd gurus, what is the cheaper route if I ended up converting over, SAS or IFS? Also what axle would be best to use?
     
  2. Jul 19, 2010 at 11:40 AM
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    what kind of offroading do you want to do with it?
     
  3. Jul 19, 2010 at 12:01 PM
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    Do you have a Pre-runner or do you have a mini?

    First off.... Do some research on SAS. Lots of information already out there and it'll tell you exactly what you need. You just have to figure out the rest of the stuff, adding t-case, etc.

    Have you truely added up all the costs in parts & labor and compared it with selling your current truck and buying another one?

    I did a quick comparison....using the same year (2006), and everything else the same, including zip code & mileage.
    Trade-in value (at a dealer) is $12,900
    To buy the same truck in 4WD *Certified Retail value* (from dealer) $20,900 Those are worst case scenarios.
    Below - are private party values of the same truck.
    Private party to SELL the Prerunner: $15,840
    Private party to BUY a 4WD: $17,330

    So seriously..... That's only a difference of less than $1500 when you go private party. Do you think you can get away with the time, parts, effort it'll take to convert to 4WD with less than $1500?? And even after you do it, I can quarentee you....it'll NEVER drive, ride, or be as reliable as a truck that hasn't been hacked up.
     
  4. Jul 19, 2010 at 12:09 PM
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    the truth!
     
  5. Jul 19, 2010 at 12:11 PM
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    i thought rocksolid was in cali??
    http://rocksolidtoys.com/
     
  6. Jul 19, 2010 at 12:16 PM
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    sell the truck and buy a 4x4
     
  7. Jul 19, 2010 at 12:40 PM
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    how much fabrication would be involved with say a stock IFS conversion on the prerunner considering it on the 4wd frame sans the 4wd haha
     
  8. Jul 19, 2010 at 12:44 PM
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    might not be worth it for you.you will need a transfer case to start. check out rocksolidtoys.com. they have sas builds there
     
  9. Jul 19, 2010 at 12:52 PM
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    maybe I just need to ARB lock the rear and shut up haha. Im not looking to rock crawl, but I do more of "exploring wheeling" in the sense of heavy trails and climbing on trails my 2wd barely makes it up, down and across. I know 4wd converting is going to cost me either way just trying to feel out my option if I can afford to go the full 9 and get the front wheels some power
     
  10. Jul 19, 2010 at 1:32 PM
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    Something else to think about....

    Is the truck your ONLY mode of transportation? If yes..... Have you thought about how much time it'll take for you to do all this? If you were an experienced mechanic with all the tools, all the parts, fabrications skills, a welder (Yes, fabrication & welding is involved) - you MIGHT be able to get it done in a weekend if you commit ALL DAY LONG working on it.

    But, if you have to ask...this project is something that will take a LONG time and you'll be without a vehicle for a while. And that's not including all the test runs, fine tuning, and problems you'll run into inbetween.

    Half way through the project - you might just be kicking yourself.
    "I should've just sold this truck and bought a 4WD"
    Because afterall.....You'll end up spending more time working on the truck than you will enjoying it.

    I'm not saying it can't be done....just being realistic.

    You never mentioned ...do you have a Prerunner? Or a 5 lug mini?
     
  11. Jul 19, 2010 at 1:39 PM
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    What year is your truck? Do you have any traction control in it ?
     
  12. Jul 19, 2010 at 1:43 PM
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    True. I needed a good response to talk some sense into the converting idea. Its probably not worth all the stress and bs. Always thought that just a IFS install would be just that , an install and not a fabbed job. I've read a few threads on the swaps but never saw if it said fabrication for the IFS system was needed. It is a prerunner btw.
     
  13. Jul 19, 2010 at 1:51 PM
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    Honestly there should be no fab work if you converting pre-runner to Factory 4x4 IFS. Same trucks minus front drive train.
    And probably you can fit in $3k in parts if you doing everything by yourself.
     
  14. Jul 19, 2010 at 2:05 PM
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    oil change...
    spend 2,500 and get a old 4x4 4runner or pre taco truck. you can find them on craigslist all the time.
    then you have your taco as a daily driver and a trail truck
     
  15. Jul 19, 2010 at 3:58 PM
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    Just a list of parts that you would need.

    4x4 Transmission
    Transfer case
    Rear driver shaft
    Front driver shaft
    Front Differential
    Front CV Shafts
    Front 4x4 hubs
    4x4 Switch
    4x4 Computer

    It'll be cheaper to just swap the truck unless you will be working on it yourself.
     
  16. Jul 19, 2010 at 4:01 PM
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    Are you sure about that?

    Isn't there a frame 'crossmember' that supports the front diff and steering components?

    Is that crossmember exactly the same in both trucks?
     
  17. Jul 19, 2010 at 4:07 PM
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    get a donor 4x4 taco.
     
  18. Jul 19, 2010 at 5:02 PM
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    I'd be tempted to trade...I doubt I'll ever get a chance to use the 4x4. LOL
     
  19. Jul 19, 2010 at 7:30 PM
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    Well if prerunner has all mounting points then


    Transfer case $500 -$800
    Rear driver shaft $300
    Front driver shaft $100
    Front Differential $400
    Front CV Shafts $100-200 a piece
    Front 4x4 hubs 150 a piece (that should be whole wheel assembly)
    4x4 Switch maybe $80 on junkyard
    4x4 Computer $125
    pigtail for transfer $80
    pigtail for front actuator $80

    all bolt on. :D
     
  20. Jul 21, 2010 at 11:42 AM
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    Found an oem front 4wd axle for the truck online (used) for $200, is that relatively cheap for a front axle and would it be a good start to a 4wd convert?
     

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