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Old 04-05-2011, 05:52 AM   #1
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Worried about this rust issue

I have an 08 and the frame has some surface rusting here and there, SHould I be worried or am I just being paranoid? I have been reading about people doing hammer test and removing it with a wire brush and touching it up with rust remover paint. I have even saw pics of people covering the holes that create moisure inside of the frame with some type of alluminum seal. I plan on keeping my truck forever until the wheels fall off, just a little worried they might fall off sooner than I expected...haha.
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From what I understand the early frames failed due to a missed step in the build process. Yours may just be surface rust and I would leave it alone so as to not void your warranty...
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my 08 that i bought new was rusting pretty bad and dealer didnt want to do anything about it.it had to fail the hammer test before they would fix it.im as sharp as a marble but wouldnt it make sense for them to prevent replaceing a frame???not sure if you bought new or still have a warranty but if it does go to the dealer and make them coat it under warranty.if not sand it and por15 the frame
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There is no "inside" of the frame. its a c channel not a full box. If its that bad you can spray POR-15 directly on the rust. Its expensive but its worth it.
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I have an 08 and the frame has some surface rusting here and there, SHould I be worried or am I just being paranoid? I have been reading about people doing hammer test and removing it with a wire brush and touching it up with rust remover paint. I have even saw pics of people covering the holes that create moisure inside of the frame with some type of alluminum seal. I plan on keeping my truck forever until the wheels fall off, just a little worried they might fall off sooner than I expected...haha.
Rust is issue on our trucks.
Clean up as much as you can and paint it with primer then paint. http://www.valsparglobal.com/val/res...tal_primer.jsp

Front of the truck has boxed frame and it rusts inside so also needs to be painted. There is no way to clean rust inside so my solution was to paint first with POR15 then painted with primer and paint. I have two winters in NE with frame painted and it looks perfect so far. Use brush to paint it not a spray you want to make thick coat of paint on it to seal metal from elements.
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Rust is issue on our trucks.
Clean up as much as you can and paint it with primer then paint. http://www.valsparglobal.com/val/res...tal_primer.jsp

Front of the truck has boxed frame and it rusts inside so also needs to be painted. There is no way to clean rust inside so my solution was to paint first with POR15 then painted with primer and paint. I have two winters in NE with frame painted and it looks perfect so far. Use brush to paint it not a spray you want to make thick coat of paint on it to seal metal from elements.
SO I need to sand it and clean it as much as possible, then paint with por15 ( not thick) then prime and paint with a metal primer and paint?
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SO I need to sand it and clean it as much as possible, then paint with por15 ( not thick) then prime and paint with a metal primer and paint?
Yes if you can afford POR 15 everywhere. I could not so I used POR 15 only on the inside boxed part of frame (where I could not clean rust at all) everything got a thick coat of primer, then a coat or two of paint to completely seal it off.
Again I used paint brash to get nice 1-2 mm coat of paint. That should be enough to isolate metal from air and moisture. Any spots that will still rust I will re-do again but so far has been good.
BTW I recomend multiple coats on any parts that are washed by wheel splash. Thats where rocks will try to chip the paint out. You can put undercoat o nthe top to make it better.
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I am hoping that Toyota will extend the frame corrosion warranty to 15yrs unlimited miles like they did for the older gen Tacoma. The six year corrosion warranty is up for 2005 Tacoma's.
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Yes if you can afford POR 15 everywhere. I could not so I used POR 15 only on the inside boxed part of frame (where I could not clean rust at all) everything got a thick coat of primer, then a coat or two of paint to completely seal it off.
Again I used paint brash to get nice 1-2 mm coat of paint. That should be enough to isolate metal from air and moisture. Any spots that will still rust I will re-do again but so far has been good.
BTW I recomend multiple coats on any parts that are washed by wheel splash. Thats where rocks will try to chip the paint out. You can put undercoat o nthe top to make it better.
BlueT, I'm curious as to which paint you used for the frame. I have entertained several ideas for coating my frame.

I think I am going to buy some POR-15 and use it, but they clearly state that it works best on a rusted surface or bare metal which isn't possible for me without attempting to remove the cheap toyota frame paint. So my question to you is what brand / type of primer and paint did you use?
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sub. i too have a mid second gen (07) that is showing more rust than id like, and has to endure summers basically sitting in the salty ocean.
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I was changing my winter rim/tire set-up for my summer set-up yesterday and couldn't believe the amount of rust under my 09. It didn't look good at all. I just used a wire brush and scrapped the best I could and then shot it with some rust check paint.
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Go to the Eastwood website and look at the various rust sollutions. I grew up in Hawaii and my dad has chopped and built many hotrods from decaying old cars with much worse rust problems than yours. http://www.eastwood.com/rust-solutions.html

We always used NAPA Extend back then, but he has told me about several better products out there. Most likely it is a multiple step process, involving:

1) Light wire brush
2)Paint on or spray on rust treatment to neutralize rust
3)Long term paint rust treatment chassis paint

Just know that everyone has some rust. It will take decades to actually do damage to the vehicle. I have seen some bad rust - I think the worst I have ever seen was in New England though - I am not sure WTF they use on the roads out there in the winter.


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Is it helpful or harmful to have the undercarriage washed at the rnd ogf the winter/salt driving season. For a few extra $, car washes often add this in.
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Is it helpful or harmful to have the undercarriage washed at the rnd ogf the winter/salt driving season. For a few extra $, car washes often add this in.
i would do it more often than that if i lived where salt was on the roads or if i drove on the beach any.
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Go to the Eastwood website and look at the various rust sollutions. I grew up in Hawaii and my dad has chopped and built many hotrods from decaying old cars with much worse rust problems than yours. http://www.eastwood.com/rust-solutions.html

We always used NAPA Extend back then, but he has told me about several better products out there. Most likely it is a multiple step process, involving:

1) Light wire brush
2)Paint on or spray on rust treatment to neutralize rust
3)Long term paint rust treatment chassis paint

Just know that everyone has some rust. It will take decades to actually do damage to the vehicle. I have seen some bad rust - I think the worst I have ever seen was in New England though - I am not sure WTF they use on the roads out there in the winter.


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If you live in a rust belt (snow and salt country) than you SHOULD be worried. Toyota didn't invent it's rust buy-back/frame replacement program for nothing. I'm about to go through my own "truck investment insurance program" for my 2008 Taco (bought in January)...clean off the frame, treat rusted areas with a rust converter to neutralize existing rust, prime all frame surfaces, paint all primed surfaces, apply a DIY wax-type rustproofing. That should last until next year when the last step (rustproofing) will be needed again, and then annually thereafter. The first three steps shouldn't be needed for another 3-4 years if the paint and rustproofing coverage is proper.

A word of caution re painting, and some may disagree but this is from my own experience after painting lots of outside exposed metal surfaces (worked summers painting girders, railings, etc. at a mill). Don't overpaint. Extra-thick layers of paint may look nice but will develop cracks/gaps more often than than will standard 'regular' coats with multiple layers, and the cracks/bubbles that come with thick paint are how water gets trapped on the metal (not unlike what can happen with spray-on rubber undercoating). Once water get's in it'll rust but you might not be able to see the damage until too late. Also, try to hit ALL the frame, inside the boxed sections, top and bottom, and especially at welds and where metal pieces join. The better you can seal the metal across the whole surface (one layer over the next) the less likely that water will get in. Finally, during winter be sure to rinse (not just wet down) the vehicle's frame/undercarriage THOROUGHLY, and as often as possible, to get most of the salt/slush off. This will help your paint job work work better and last longer. Dry salt (that 'white look') isn't nearly as bad as salt mixed with water. Avoid heated garages during winter. All that snow melts onto the salt and....

Too bad they don't make steel truck frames coated with a triple-dip unbreakable metal-bonded plastic outer layer. Truck life would sure be easier.
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excellent points, it does make a lot of sense. Thanks Blackbear
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Also, try to hit ALL the frame, inside the boxed sections, top and bottom, and especially at welds and where metal pieces join...
I have discovered that the rear spring hangers on the 2nd gen are a spot to watch out for. They are joined to the frame with rivets and for whatever reason the frame seems to rust badly there. My two year old truck that has never seen salt is rusting there. It makes me crazy.
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Great Info ,,, Thanks for sharing ......
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I've seen many nissans and fords rust out just as easy up here in the snow belt. Maintinence is key regardless of make, you are putting corrosive salt in prolonged contact with steel.
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