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Old 02-24-2012, 10:06 AM   #41
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A light comes on the dash when you have VSC kick in, watch for it.
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:28 AM   #42
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A light comes on the dash when you have VSC kick in, watch for it. I had issues after lift too but had dealer recalibrate. no issues anymore .

ABS is sound. Is everyone saying they would rather have their tyres lock up in slippery conditions? You lose all control then.

ABS has proven itself enough in 4 wheel vehicles that it is being adopted by manufacturers of two wheel vehicles to avoid the dumping of bikes!

PS If you get into an accident and end up killing someone and the cause of the accident is found to be braking conditions, good fuckin luck man. Your disabling safety systems that is IMO similar to removing seatbelts, airbags and safe tires.
Call your insurance company and anonymously ask that hypothetical question.
Thanks for your input. I'm having a buddy re-calibrate the VSC on Monday
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Old 02-24-2012, 11:19 AM   #43
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Thanks for your input. I'm having a buddy re-calibrate the VSC on Monday
Go there with a 1/2 tank of gas and sit in the seat when the calibration is done
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Go there with a 1/2 tank of gas and sit in the seat when the calibration is done
Can u elaborate on the reasoning for this?
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Old 02-24-2012, 05:50 PM   #45
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Can u elaborate on the reasoning for this?
You will be setting the zero points for the yaw sensor when the recalibration is done , as we all know , the " taco lean " is from the driver , gas tank etc all being on one side . You as the driver will always be in the seat when driving so it makes sense to have that weight there when zeroing the system , the 1/2 tank of gas is the average weight you would carry in fuel , so is basically a neutral allowance for gas weight .
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Old 02-25-2012, 01:51 PM   #46
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ABS is sound. Is everyone saying they would rather have their tyres lock up in slippery conditions? You lose all control then.
NHTSA says in 2005:

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One question that arose during testing was whether an ABS-disabling switch, which would be very useful on roads with a deformable surface, such as gravel or snow, should be permitted. However, a problem exists with getting drivers to restore ABS functionality so that it is available when needed. Two possible solutions are contemplated here.

The first proposed solution is to consider the introduction of a control mode switch integrated with the gear selector, whereby the ABS algorithms would change based on what position the gear selector was in. Changing the algorithm would allow the front wheels to lock whenever the vehicle was placed in low 1 (on an automatic transmission) or first gear, and possibly second (for a manual transmission), which is consistent with allowing wheel lock below 15 km/h. Deactivating ABS in this manner would provide the driver with additional braking force on deformable surfaces (the ability to lock the front wheels), and ABS would automatically be reactivated as soon as the driver attempted to resume faster driving speeds.

The second proposed solution could potentially be used with the above idea or by itself. It contemplates a software solution to the downhill scenario whereby the front wheels would lock up if the brakes are applied, ABS intervenes, and the vehicle’s speed continues to increase while brake pedal displacement remains constant (at near-maximum displacement) or increases.
Ref: http://www.nhtsa.gov/DOT/NHTSA/NRD/M...inalreport.pdf

Emphasis mine.

Automaticalling disabling ABS if car go below 15kp/h (10mph), would be a good compromise if on/off switch is out of question. 5mph is way too low and even with that, ABS still kicks in. According to the owner manual, it says that ABS will be disabled if speed go below around 5mph.


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PS If you get into an accident and end up killing someone and the cause of the accident is found to be braking conditions, good fuckin luck man. Your disabling safety systems that is IMO similar to removing seatbelts, airbags and safe tires.
ABS system isn't mandatory, unlike seat belts and air bags. In fact, NHTSA backed off about it seeing that ABS didn't really help in lowering accident rate in all situations.

In fact, from what you're saying, does that mean that around 30% of sold cars (new) that doesn't have ABS system are dangerous?

According to NHTSA report, in 2009:

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On wet, snowy, or icy roads, where ABS is most likely to activate, the increase in fatal run-off-road crashes is a statistically significant 34 percent in passenger cars (confidence bounds: 20% to 50% increase). On these roads, all three types of fatal run-off-road crashes increase significantly for cars and so do fatal rollovers of LTVs.
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Fatal collisions with pedestrians, bicyclists, or animals decrease significantly, overall, with ABS. The observed reductions are 13 percent in cars (confidence bounds: 5% to 20%) and 14 percent in LTVs (confidence bounds: 3% to 25%). But the observed effects on wet, snowy, or icy roads are not positive.
But, if cars are equipped with stability control, which my truck doesn't have one:

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Although the preceding analyses show a significant 9-percent increase for ABS on run-off-road crashes of passenger cars, the increase is small relative to the likely benefits of ESC. NHTSA’s 2007 evaluation of ESC, based on statistical analyses through calendar year 2004, found a 36- percent reduction in fatal run-off-road crashes. Thus, the combined effect of ESC and ABS is an estimated 30-percent reduction of fatal crashes.
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Negative effects of ABS on run-off-road crashes – whatever may be causing them – are possibly remedied and in any case dwarfed by the likely benefits of ESC.
About overall performance of ABS system in fatal crash (remember that this report was made on 2009):

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The long-term overall effect of ABS on fatal crash involvements is close to zero in both cars and LTVs. The observed effect in cars is a 1-percent reduction (90% confidence bounds range from a 2% increase to a 4% reduction). The observed effect in LTVs is a 1-percent increase (confidence bounds: -6% to 4%).
However, overall effect in all type of crash seems in favor of ABS system:
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But the overall effect of ABS on all crash involvements, including nonfatal involvements is beneficial and statistically significant in both cars and LTVs. The observed reductions are 6 percent in cars (confidence bounds: 4% to 8%) and 8 percent in LTVs (confidence bounds: 3% to 11%).
Ref: http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811182.PDF

Conclusion: ABS isn't good on ice/snow and gravel roads and we should have a ABS disable switch, like ESP or ESC disable switch.
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For people worried about disabling their ABS I don't think they can hold you responsible for a blown fuse. That kind of thing happens all the time.
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