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Old 03-21-2012, 02:22 PM   #1
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Anyone want to answer a stupid question about lifts?

I think I know just enough about lifts to get confused and ask truly ridiculous questions.

I'm pretty sure I'm going I get a 2-3" suspension lift. I was planning on a slightly taller tire on the stock rims to start with (and if I'm unhappy with the look I can change the wheels around later) Someone mentioned to me that, while lifts are really cool, you aren't changing the height of the axles (unless you start messing with wheel size, I guess).

Now I'm confused. You get more clearance under the truck as a whole but your limiting factor on clearance will still be axle height, which is not being raised by the lift?

So if the axles are essentially the same height, how is that an advantage if you are off roading?

Does that question even make sense? What am I missing here? Help me!
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A lift will give you a better clearance at the center of the truck, and at front and rear bumpers.. But you will not have better clearance over say, a rock that you are driving over that is inbetween your wheels. In order to clear said rock, you need bigger tires. Going from a 30" tire to a 33" tire, will give you roughly 1.5" more axle clearance, along with overall clearance. A 2-3" lift will give you 2-3" overall clearance, but nothing at the axle.
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Sure. Any suspension lift, even with the exact same size tires, will increase your

approach angle

departure angle

breakover angle

and increase total clearance over large obstacles that you traverse by "putting a wheel on it."

Also, here's a similar answer I posted in response to a similar thread:

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/sus...ml#post3749601
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I think I know just enough about lifts to get confused and ask truly ridiculous questions.

I'm pretty sure I'm going I get a 2-3" suspension lift. I was planning on a slightly taller tire on the stock rims to start with (and if I'm unhappy with the look I can change the wheels around later) Someone mentioned to me that, while lifts are really cool, you aren't changing the height of the axles (unless you start messing with wheel size, I guess).

Now I'm confused. You get more clearance under the truck as a whole but your limiting factor on clearance will still be axle height, which is not being raised by the lift?

So if the axles are essentially the same height, how is that an advantage if you are off roading?

Does that question even make sense? What am I missing here? Help me!
Yes putting taller tires raises the height of the axles, most lifts do not. For off road purposes, having the body of the truck is good because it allows you to go up and over more obstacles. Many folks get armor plating to protect things like th differential and front lower control arms. Yes, lift is good but even with the lift we still have to be aware of what rocks and whatnot could hurt the axles and such. It means thinking out what line we want to take through a particular area as not to hurt the truck.
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:34 PM   #5
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^^ thanks for the link to the other thread. I tried searching but didn't see that.
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Lift = Less down travel
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Lift = Less down travel
not if you get longer shocks
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not if you get longer shocks
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Old 03-21-2012, 02:48 PM   #9
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not if you get longer shocks

regardless of shocks more lift = less down travel. it is a fact.

a stock height truck with extended shocks will offer more down travel then lifted truck with same shocks

the lca's of both will be at the same angle but the distance to get there with the stock truck will be greater then one starting 3" lower
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regardless of shocks more lift = less down travel. it is a fact.

a stock height truck with extended shocks will offer more down travel then lifted truck with same shocks

the lca's of both will be at the same angle but the distance to get there with the stock truck will be greater then one starting 3" lower
so you're saying a mid travel set-up that yields 3" of lift has less down travel than a stock tacoma? or a long travel set up that yields 3" of lift has less down travel than stock?

now a normal lift like mine (OME lift, LR UCA's) I don't know for a fact, I'd have to compare measurements from a stock tacoma to mine to check, so I'm not gonna argue on that front

I'm just saying what you stated is a bit ridiculous.
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so you're saying a mid travel set-up that yields 3" of lift has less down travel than a stock tacoma? or a long travel set up that yields 3" of lift has less down travel than stock?

now a normal lift like mine (OME lift, LR UCA's) I don't know for a fact, I'd have to compare measurements from a stock tacoma to mine to check, so I'm not gonna argue on that front

I'm just saying what you stated is a bit ridiculous.

lol....is it really?

It's simple geometry with a little subtraction and addition

Ex.
Stock: start at reg ride height and it takes 10" to max out down travel

Lifted 3": start at ride height and it takes 7" to max out down travel

(My travel numbers are purely for simulation)

Unless you have personally figured out a way that no other company or fabricator has to stop CV's, tie rods, LCA's, UCA's from binding or hitting the CO's Ill stand by my theory. I am not talking about advanced lifts costing tens of thousands of dollars that replace the entire IFS and require heavy modification to the truck.
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Very true unless you go LT.
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Hey OP I hope we answered your question despite goin off on a tangent
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but but but, you get more up travel?
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Hey OP I hope we answered your question despite goin off on a tangent

I got it, thanks. And I kinda love the limited attention span on TW. I feel at home with all the ADHD folks here.
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Oh, you mean like how we talk abo.....OHHH! Wait! What's that shiny thing????
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I got it, thanks. And I kinda love the limited attention span on TW. I feel at home with all the ADHD folks here.

You should also know that a lift does not mean you can fit larger tires.
Many people believe that if they lift their truck with suspension and it sits higher they can fit a larger tire. That is false. You will still maintain the same amount of up travel only your tire diameter will be larger so in theory you will hit the fenders worse when full articulated. A lifted truck has the same limits as a non lifted truck in regards to up travel - the bump stop. If you modify your bump stops to limit your up travel then it is true that a lift can fit a larger tire, but it seems most forget to ever mention that.

In a perfect world max droop and stuff is key. IMO a extended travel shock with 1-2" of lift would be great for a budget lift that wants maximum travel, but then a whole ton of other things need to be considered.

In closing if you just want the lift and tires so the truck looks cool disregard everything I have said because it doesn't matter.
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In closing if you just want the lift and tires so the truck looks cool disregard everything I have said because it doesn't matter.
Some light off roading and some crazy dirt roads that aren't that different from light off roading. I actually had some clearance problems getting to a work location so the time has come for a lift. I love my truck but I'm not paying for a lift just so it will look pretty
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