Originally Posted by ezemanf
I agree Matt. With the money we pay for the headers, DT should provide complete instructions stating that there are extra hardware not included with the package.
Originally Posted by ETaco23
I got my shorty headers with all new bolts.. But you cant use the supplyed bolts on the top because there's no way in hell you can thread and tighten the bolts down.
The best thing to do is use there new supplyed bolts on the bottom and move the shorter studs (the bottom studs) to the top. It works perfectly!
DT really screwed up on the 12-13 shorty headers. They didnt line up at all with cats. And were you you have to cut the old headers off is different than previous years. I had to do some custom fab work in order to make them work..
As much as I want to believe DT has sent out a few "mispackaged" headers out with missing hardware, my own experience tells me otherwise. It's either they don't really care to fix the mispackaged headers or they need to spend more time getting a cohesive package out to the customer. No one wants to pay for an incomplete product.
My experience(dealing with DT '12-'13 headers)
I initially ordered '12-'13 short tube DT's directly from Thorley headquarters in Corona, CA via phone order. PRIOR to finalizing my order I asked if they came with bungs welded and the guy checks the "hardware supplied" and says: "looks like they're not listed so they SHOULD BE welded on."
Got them 2 days later, no bungs welded on...not even bungs packed loose! Called DT headquarters to ask why weren't there bungs welded on, and this gentleman said "hmm we SHOULD HAVE sent them loose with the headers." So I ask him "So which is it? Shouldve been welded on or sent loose??!" He hmmms for a few seconds then asks for my number so he can "consult with his engineers" and call me back first thing next morning. I didn't get a call back so I guess we'll never know seeing as I got 2 different answers from the manufacturer directly.
After mulling it over, I decided to return the short tube headers and go with long tube DT headers instead. I just couldn't justify professional installation costs of shorties.
Ordered the DTLT's this time via URD
website. I get them, and replacement hardware for the top studs were NOT included(as Gadget noted above they should have been). Again, missing hardware from DT---twice now. I couldn't wait any longer so I decided to grab the hardware myself @ Home Depot
It appears to me that there is still half assing or negligence going on at DT's packaging/development department, but either way I was not happy with the lack of hardware from the same manufacturer in both of my orders.
Like I stated before...great product, but isn't always 100% ready to go when it lands at the customer's door.
2012+ Tacoma owners, heads up.