Mike "Wuzzy121". Rest in peace, brother

Go Back   Tacoma World Forums > Tacoma Discussion > 2nd Gen. Tacomas

Notices

2nd Gen Dual Batt Install

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-07-2012, 09:13 PM   #1
barlowrs [OP] barlowrs is offline
Senior Member
barlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
barlowrs's Avatar
Name: Robert
Joined: Feb 2010, #31230
Location: So Cal
Gender: Male
Posts: 597
barlowrs's Tacoma Gallery
2nd Gen Dual Batt Install

Welp, this has been on my list for some time, and I have hadall the parts, just never got off my butt to do it, so, finally a few weeksago, I decided to. Mainly this is to protect me from getting stuck alone out inthe middle of nowhere as I go out exploring by myself often, and always need tobe back to work on Monday. One of the reasons I got a manual transmission wasso I could push start it if I lose a batt, however, considering how much of afat pig my truck is these days, that would be basically impossible alone, sothis is the best option. This also allows me to connect both batteries whenwinching, or running my air compressor for a long time.

Also, with my flippac on the way (with Engel fridge), Ifigure now is a great time to have extra juice around. So, what did I need?

- Dual Battery Tray: I got the Columbia Overland onefor cheap from a friend

- Two Batteries: Luckily I was already running aDie Hard Plat. Group 35, for the second, I opted for a group 25, which is theexact same battery just with terminal backwards. This allows me to connect twobatteries without have to cross them in an “X”

- Some form of isolator, whether just a mechanicalswitch, or a full blown smart setup like the National Luna. I opted for theBlue Sea 7622. This is a marine grade (always good) automatic charging system.This will automatically connect the batteries 30 sec after starting (this protectshouse battery from voltage spikes during start), then it will automaticallydisconnect them (isolate) when you shut off. In addition, it has a manualswitch on the unit (See yellow knob below), to Connect, Disconnect, or set toauto as well as wiring and a switch for in cab operation (again, it is fully automaticthough, the manual override switches are just when you manually want to dothings). The thing that really sold me on this unit is that it is rated for 500A continuous…that is HUGE (National Luna is like 250A I think). I like this asa HEAVY winch pull can run VERY high amps, and if I am running with battsconnected, current is going through the blue sea, so I want it rated for morethan the max current it can see.

- Lots of wire: I chose 3 gage stinger oval wire.This is more of a stereo shop wire, but I like it because it is very good atholding current and very flexible. It is high quality wire.

Ok without further ado, the write-up:

First off I warn anyone using Die Hard Plat batteries I usedand the Columbia overland tray, they DO NOT FIT WITHOUT MODIFICTION!



First thing was to modify the batteries. The Die Hards havea lip on the bottom of them that make them just a wee bit too wide, so thisneeds to be taken off. You can see in the pic below it was cut off (A dremel, apocket knife, and about 15 mins for both batteries).



Next was to modify the truck. The only interference I hadwas the foot of the fuse block mount. I simply cut it off (leaving enough meatfor the original bolt to still serve a purpose)



Next was to drop both batts in (notice the Die Hard 25 and35 have the terminal right next to each other..very nice):



Then came time to mount the blue sea. You want it as closeto the batteries as possible as the automatic functions operate off detectingvoltage, so if you have it far away, there is voltage losses in the wires thatmay mess with the auto function. I mounted mine right to the lid of the fuseblock:



Mounting the battery hold down plate thingy majig took a bitof creativity. There was probably a better way to do this, but my way works sowhatever haha. Columbia Overland supplies one long threated rod, which I used forthe front of the batt tray, however the rear, I used the stock batt tray hook. Unfortunatelyit is too tall for the application, so after some measuring (eye balling), I cut it shorter and bent a new hook in the bottom. That hook then hooks into the hole in the tabseen in the pic above where I showed the fuse block foot.



After that it’s just a matter of tightening everything down,and Wiring it all up…Viola



FYI, if you need to crimp 2 gage wire,. The crimper isSTUPID expensive, however I discovered that at west marine, they have a “do ityourself” bench, that has a crimper..simply buy the fittings (ring terminals,etc) there, and use their crimper.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2012, 09:18 PM   #2
.....
ColtsTRD is one of the sharper tools in the shedColtsTRD is one of the sharper tools in the shedColtsTRD is one of the sharper tools in the shedColtsTRD is one of the sharper tools in the shedColtsTRD is one of the sharper tools in the shedColtsTRD is one of the sharper tools in the shedColtsTRD is one of the sharper tools in the shedColtsTRD is one of the sharper tools in the shedColtsTRD is one of the sharper tools in the shedColtsTRD is one of the sharper tools in the shedColtsTRD is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
ColtsTRD's Avatar
Name: Scott
Joined: May 2009, #17177
Location: AZ
Gender: Male
Posts: 17,993
ColtsTRD's Tacoma Gallery
Dude nice job and great write up! It came out awesome!!!
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-2012, 10:34 PM   #3
Senior Member
RadSurfTaco has a brilliant futureRadSurfTaco has a brilliant futureRadSurfTaco has a brilliant futureRadSurfTaco has a brilliant futureRadSurfTaco has a brilliant futureRadSurfTaco has a brilliant futureRadSurfTaco has a brilliant futureRadSurfTaco has a brilliant futureRadSurfTaco has a brilliant futureRadSurfTaco has a brilliant futureRadSurfTaco has a brilliant future
 
RadSurfTaco's Avatar
Name: Chris
Joined: Jun 2012, #80633
Location: In Ocean or My Taco...trolling up & down Hwy 1
Gender: Tranny
Posts: 645
RadSurfTaco's Tacoma Gallery
That is sooo nice...
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2012, 05:20 PM   #5
Going nowhere as fast as possible
imtwistd is one of the sharper tools in the shedimtwistd is one of the sharper tools in the shedimtwistd is one of the sharper tools in the shedimtwistd is one of the sharper tools in the shedimtwistd is one of the sharper tools in the shedimtwistd is one of the sharper tools in the shedimtwistd is one of the sharper tools in the shedimtwistd is one of the sharper tools in the shedimtwistd is one of the sharper tools in the shedimtwistd is one of the sharper tools in the shedimtwistd is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
imtwistd's Avatar
Name: I forgot
Joined: Jun 2010, #38366
Location: Liverpool NY
Age: 33
Gender: Dude
Posts: 248
imtwistd's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by barlowrs View Post
Welp, this has been on my list for some time, and I have hadall the parts, just never got off my butt to do it, so, finally a few weeksago, I decided to. Mainly this is to protect me from getting stuck alone out inthe middle of nowhere as I go out exploring by myself often, and always need tobe back to work on Monday. One of the reasons I got a manual transmission wasso I could push start it if I lose a batt, however, considering how much of afat pig my truck is these days, that would be basically impossible alone, sothis is the best option. This also allows me to connect both batteries whenwinching, or running my air compressor for a long time.

Also, with my flippac on the way (with Engel fridge), Ifigure now is a great time to have extra juice around. So, what did I need?

- Dual Battery Tray: I got the Columbia Overland onefor cheap from a friend

- Two Batteries: Luckily I was already running aDie Hard Plat. Group 35, for the second, I opted for a group 25, which is theexact same battery just with terminal backwards. This allows me to connect twobatteries without have to cross them in an “X”

- Some form of isolator, whether just a mechanicalswitch, or a full blown smart setup like the National Luna. I opted for theBlue Sea 7622. This is a marine grade (always good) automatic charging system.This will automatically connect the batteries 30 sec after starting (this protectshouse battery from voltage spikes during start), then it will automaticallydisconnect them (isolate) when you shut off. In addition, it has a manualswitch on the unit (See yellow knob below), to Connect, Disconnect, or set toauto as well as wiring and a switch for in cab operation (again, it is fully automaticthough, the manual override switches are just when you manually want to dothings). The thing that really sold me on this unit is that it is rated for 500A continuous…that is HUGE (National Luna is like 250A I think). I like this asa HEAVY winch pull can run VERY high amps, and if I am running with battsconnected, current is going through the blue sea, so I want it rated for morethan the max current it can see.

- Lots of wire: I chose 3 gage stinger oval wire.This is more of a stereo shop wire, but I like it because it is very good atholding current and very flexible. It is high quality wire.

Ok without further ado, the write-up:

First off I warn anyone using Die Hard Plat batteries I usedand the Columbia overland tray, they DO NOT FIT WITHOUT MODIFICTION!



First thing was to modify the batteries. The Die Hards havea lip on the bottom of them that make them just a wee bit too wide, so thisneeds to be taken off. You can see in the pic below it was cut off (A dremel, apocket knife, and about 15 mins for both batteries).



Next was to modify the truck. The only interference I hadwas the foot of the fuse block mount. I simply cut it off (leaving enough meatfor the original bolt to still serve a purpose)



Next was to drop both batts in (notice the Die Hard 25 and35 have the terminal right next to each other..very nice):



Then came time to mount the blue sea. You want it as closeto the batteries as possible as the automatic functions operate off detectingvoltage, so if you have it far away, there is voltage losses in the wires thatmay mess with the auto function. I mounted mine right to the lid of the fuseblock:



Mounting the battery hold down plate thingy majig took a bitof creativity. There was probably a better way to do this, but my way works sowhatever haha. Columbia Overland supplies one long threated rod, which I used forthe front of the batt tray, however the rear, I used the stock batt tray hook. Unfortunatelyit is too tall for the application, so after some measuring (eye balling), I cut it shorter and bent a new hook in the bottom. That hook then hooks into the hole in the tabseen in the pic above where I showed the fuse block foot.



After that it’s just a matter of tightening everything down,and Wiring it all up…Viola



FYI, if you need to crimp 2 gage wire,. The crimper isSTUPID expensive, however I discovered that at west marine, they have a “do ityourself” bench, that has a crimper..simply buy the fittings (ring terminals,etc) there, and use their crimper.
So I wanna know if this setup will work for my truck, cause I'm boosted and I need to know if the coolant hoses will be ok or if the if thhe battery tray interferes. Your input is greatly needed
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-18-2012, 05:24 PM   #6
Senior Member
troy28 is on a distinguished road
Joined: Dec 2011, #68095
Location: Capitol of Salty Roads
Gender: Male
Posts: 130
troy28's Tacoma Gallery
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2012, 08:22 AM   #8
barlowrs [OP] barlowrs is offline
Senior Member
barlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
barlowrs's Avatar
Name: Robert
Joined: Feb 2010, #31230
Location: So Cal
Gender: Male
Posts: 597
barlowrs's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by imtwistd View Post
So I wanna know if this setup will work for my truck, cause I'm boosted and I need to know if the coolant hoses will be ok or if the if thhe battery tray interferes. Your input is greatly needed
I'm really not sure, in the pic you quoted, you can see how much clearance is needed. It extend almost to the oil filter, etc.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2012, 08:24 AM   #9
barlowrs [OP] barlowrs is offline
Senior Member
barlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
barlowrs's Avatar
Name: Robert
Joined: Feb 2010, #31230
Location: So Cal
Gender: Male
Posts: 597
barlowrs's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mach375 View Post
Nice and clean (the install, not the engine bay).

Able to run both batts independently, regardless of ignition position?
Haha yeah, she is a truck, shouldnt be clean. I do not think I have washed her in the 5 years I have owned her.

Yes the batts can be connected or isolated regardless of ign position using either a switch on the unit (under hood), or an in cab switch. Or it can be set to auto (again, through either of the two switches).
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2012, 08:41 AM   #11
Dark Lord of the Sith
wrmathis is one of the sharper tools in the shedwrmathis is one of the sharper tools in the shedwrmathis is one of the sharper tools in the shedwrmathis is one of the sharper tools in the shedwrmathis is one of the sharper tools in the shedwrmathis is one of the sharper tools in the shedwrmathis is one of the sharper tools in the shedwrmathis is one of the sharper tools in the shedwrmathis is one of the sharper tools in the shedwrmathis is one of the sharper tools in the shedwrmathis is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
wrmathis's Avatar
Army: Tech Insp: 404 ASB/4th CAB
Name: Ryan Mathis
Joined: Sep 2008, #9126
Location: Lives: Fountain, Colorado/Home: Leesburg, GA
Age: 33
Gender: Male
Posts: 6,597
wrmathis's Tacoma Gallery
Send a message via ICQ to wrmathis Send a message via Yahoo to wrmathis
Quote:
Originally Posted by imtwistd View Post
So I wanna know if this setup will work for my truck, cause I'm boosted and I need to know if the coolant hoses will be ok or if the if thhe battery tray interferes. Your input is greatly needed
ATO makes a dual battery tray holder that does fit the supercharger for sure http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/arm...5-tacomas.html
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2012, 09:35 AM   #12
barlowrs [OP] barlowrs is offline
Senior Member
barlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
barlowrs's Avatar
Name: Robert
Joined: Feb 2010, #31230
Location: So Cal
Gender: Male
Posts: 597
barlowrs's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by PSJ View Post
you need to clean that thing- a clean motor is a happy motor
Inside the motor is pristine, the outside, well, who cares, its a truck..she likes being dirty. haha
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-19-2012, 02:16 PM   #13
Senior Member
Sideways is just really niceSideways is just really niceSideways is just really niceSideways is just really nice
 
Sideways's Avatar
Joined: Sep 2008, #9057
Location: Maryland
Posts: 558
Sideways's Tacoma Gallery
Nice job on the install!
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2012, 12:20 PM   #14
Junior Member
jonger is on a distinguished road
Joined: Jul 2012, #83674
Gender: Male
Posts: 1
jonger's Tacoma Gallery
This is almost exactly what I'm gathering parts to do. One question: is there clearance to get the oil filter out of there, without moving batteries around?
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-30-2012, 02:44 PM   #15
Must go to Mountains, Desert
Crom is one of the sharper tools in the shedCrom is one of the sharper tools in the shedCrom is one of the sharper tools in the shedCrom is one of the sharper tools in the shedCrom is one of the sharper tools in the shedCrom is one of the sharper tools in the shedCrom is one of the sharper tools in the shedCrom is one of the sharper tools in the shedCrom is one of the sharper tools in the shedCrom is one of the sharper tools in the shedCrom is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
Crom's Avatar
Name: Mr. Sir
Joined: Jun 2009, #18782
Location: San Diego, CA
Age: 36
Gender: Dude
Posts: 3,705
Crom's Tacoma Gallery
Great work Robert. I'll be following your example soon. I need to start collecting parts. Hey, I noticed the Engine bay dirt too. LOL I washed mine for the first time in three years and it looks like a brand new truck again.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2012, 06:57 PM   #16
Junior Member
CuervoEspiritu is on a distinguished road
Joined: Sep 2011, #62791
Location: new york
Gender: Male
Posts: 3
CuervoEspiritu's Tacoma Gallery
sorry to dig up a 5 month old post but had a quick question for the op, are you running the charging relay between the alternator and one battery or both.

do you have a wire diagram of how you hooked everything up. i see that you have a blue sea fuse block as well, how do you have that tied into the circuit you created.

from what it looks like to me is that you have the relay set in series between alternator and batts and then running your feed to your fuse block.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2012, 05:07 PM   #17
barlowrs [OP] barlowrs is offline
Senior Member
barlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shedbarlowrs is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
barlowrs's Avatar
Name: Robert
Joined: Feb 2010, #31230
Location: So Cal
Gender: Male
Posts: 597
barlowrs's Tacoma Gallery
Standard dual batt setup is the alt runs to the starting batt, then the isolator (Switch etc...Blue sea in my case) is wired between the two batteries (Pos of one batt goes to one side of switch, and pos of other batt goes to other side).

My blue sea fuse block is for my accessories, so it is wired off my second battery. This way my main battery is really only for starting and normal car functions. All other electronics (lights, comms, etc) are oni the second battery.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2012, 05:15 PM   #18
I am the one who knocks
Spoonman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSpoonman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSpoonman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSpoonman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSpoonman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSpoonman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSpoonman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSpoonman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSpoonman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSpoonman is one of the sharper tools in the shedSpoonman is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
Spoonman's Avatar
Name: Jamie
Joined: Sep 2011, #63328
Location: Calgary
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Posts: 7,556
Spoonman's Tacoma Gallery
Looks nice good luck changing headlights bulbs though.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2012, 07:21 PM   #19
Junior Member
CuervoEspiritu is on a distinguished road
Joined: Sep 2011, #62791
Location: new york
Gender: Male
Posts: 3
CuervoEspiritu's Tacoma Gallery
thanks for the info barlowrs.
  Reply With Quote
Old 12-02-2012, 07:42 PM   #20
'merica
FreidTaco is one of the sharper tools in the shedFreidTaco is one of the sharper tools in the shedFreidTaco is one of the sharper tools in the shedFreidTaco is one of the sharper tools in the shedFreidTaco is one of the sharper tools in the shedFreidTaco is one of the sharper tools in the shedFreidTaco is one of the sharper tools in the shedFreidTaco is one of the sharper tools in the shedFreidTaco is one of the sharper tools in the shedFreidTaco is one of the sharper tools in the shedFreidTaco is one of the sharper tools in the shed
 
FreidTaco's Avatar
Name: null
Joined: Sep 2011, #63918
Location: Wy
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,420
FreidTaco's Tacoma Gallery
Quote:
Originally Posted by barlowrs View Post
Welp, this has been on my list for some time, and I have hadall the parts, just never got off my butt to do it, so, finally a few weeksago, I decided to. Mainly this is to protect me from getting stuck alone out inthe middle of nowhere as I go out exploring by myself often, and always need tobe back to work on Monday. One of the reasons I got a manual transmission wasso I could push start it if I lose a batt, however, considering how much of afat pig my truck is these days, that would be basically impossible alone, sothis is the best option. This also allows me to connect both batteries whenwinching, or running my air compressor for a long time.
It was a very wise choice to go with the dual battery set up because if you are stranded with a 100% dead battery you will NOT be able to push start it. Everything else on you vehicle requires a charge to start. You have ELECTRONIC ignition and ELECTRONIC fuel injection.
BUT.....
(Example) If the battery needs to have 75% power to start and it's down to 70%, it won't turn the starter over but all the other stuff (including the electronic ignition and the EFI) will work just fine. Then you COULD push start it.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
LT install on 2nd Gen Piratefish Northern California 16 06-25-2012 10:02 AM
dual exhaust on the 2nd gen! but what wheels? Junebug55210 2nd Gen. Tacomas 4 01-30-2012 12:24 PM
let me see your 2nd gen dual exhaust rhewins13 Performance and Tuning 12 10-13-2011 09:40 AM
Dual Batt. setup need help Country Technical Chat 6 03-24-2010 02:28 PM
***SOLD*** 2nd Gen DC Dual 10" Sub Box, Boston Acoustic Subs, Alpine 400w Amp Anthony Buy / Sell / Trade 54 12-10-2008 01:09 PM


Copyright © 2014 Tacoma Forum. Tacoma World is not owned by, or affiliated with Toyota Motor Corporation.