Shell vs. Exxon gas

TacoCo · 01-06-2009, 09:30 PM

Shell is like $.20+/gallon more expensive than any other station around here, and I got shitty gas mileage with their gas in my old 4Runner. My buddy even owns the Shell station, and I won't fill up there.

I usually fill up at the local Conoco/Phillips stations.

crasch · 01-06-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by j4x4ar3

Yes.. all the gasoline in some areas of the country come from a small handfull of refineries. However how much the refinery processes that fuel will depend on who the customer is that they are refining for. In the case of the mom/pop stations they will get the minimum standards which is cheap to refine and therefore is sold at a lower price. Run the refining process through one or more additional phases to up the standard of the fuel and now you might sell to the bigger stations. Add in the additives and now you've actually branded the fuel.

The Toyota Tacaoma and Pontiac Vibe are made at the same Nummi plant in Fremont, CA however there is a world of difference in overal quality, design, fit-n-finish between Tacoma and Vibe wouldn't you say???

Tacoma vs Vibe, I would say the engineering.
Actually chris4x4 is right. There is no real difference in the base gas. Each company may buy different levels of a similar octane. What makes the difference is the additives they add.

SC4333 · 01-06-2009, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by crasch

Tacoma vs Vibe, I would say the engineering.
Actually chris4x4 is right. There is no real difference in the base gas. Each company may buy different levels of a similar octane. What makes the difference is the additives they add.

I was told the same by the supplier that we purchased fuel from for a Developer that I worked for. The owner of the supplier (fuel company) said it was all relatively the same in quality. And if i remember correctly there were two main producers it was all coming from and both were of near equal quality. I doubt this guy would have tried blowing smoke being that he would lose 120k in business each month if this was the case and anyone found out. Albeit he was speaking in terms of diesel, he said this was essentially the same for the BASE gasoline.

sonjay · 01-06-2009, 10:22 PM

I believe there are different regulations for diesel.

WilsonTheDog · 01-06-2009, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j4x4ar3

The Toyota Tacaoma and Pontiac Vibe are made at the same Nummi plant in Fremont, CA however there is a world of difference in overal quality, design, fit-n-finish between Tacoma and Vibe wouldn't you say???

No, I wouldn't.

ERdept · 01-06-2009, 10:42 PM

chevron only

Westdog976 · 01-06-2009, 10:44 PM

SHELL and why isn't this a poll?

SC4333 · 01-06-2009, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sonjay

I believe there are different regulations for diesel.

True, but read the last few words.. He said the base gasolines were essentially all the same. There are however very different processes that are used to refine sweet crude and sour crude, as far as how they effect the gasoline as a final product....

I have no idea. This is just what the man told me.

Bearskill · 01-06-2009, 11:29 PM

Unless im in the middle of nowhere and on fumes i ALWAYS use ether Shell or Chevron premium. My baby is worth it. My wife gets Mavrick gas for her car. I swear they cut that stuff with water or something.

crasch · 01-06-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SC4333

True, but read the last few words.. He said the base gasolines were essentially all the same. There are however very different processes that are used to refine sweet crude and sour crude, as far as how they effect the gasoline as a final product....

I have no idea. This is just what the man told me.

This is true and this is usually different refinery to refinery. Shell in one town can be a very different quality in another or even in a different part of the town. I remember in the early 90's a local TV news station, with the help of UCAN, did a test on the gas from different companies, they saw a difference in quality not based on the company but the refinery it came from. Most of the time, multiple gas companies refine their gas in the same refinery. Even then, especially in California, you can get different mix of gas based on where you buy the gas and different times of the year just because of CARB/EPA regulations. This is especially true on how much oxygenation they do for one part of town. I know in San Diego that there is more O2 in downtown gas then in there outline areas. (Yes its the same with the smog laws. Depending were you are located you may only need to smog your car once where in the city you're require to smog your car every two years).
From then on, it was the additives that made it different from company to company.
The only real way to really make sure you get the best gas in your area is to get samples and have a chemical analysis.

pittim · 01-06-2009, 11:48 PM

I've never even seen a Chevron station in PA.

I've only seen 2 Shell stations here too.

I normally get gas at BP.

crasch · 01-07-2009, 12:09 AM

Documentation on Gas Quality. Please note that this document is kind of old so may not be completely accurate. For example, I know in all over California, gasoline is oxygenated though out winter and oxygenated all year long in the major cities. MTBE is no longer used in California gas since 2003.
http://www.ethanolrfa.org/objects/pd...A/Gasoline.pdf

TRD4x4858 · 01-07-2009, 12:38 AM

The cheapest thing I can find. I even run Tj gas and my truck runs the same

stevigee · 01-07-2009, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SC4333

I was told the same by the supplier that we purchased fuel from for a Developer that I worked for. The owner of the supplier (fuel company) said it was all relatively the same in quality. And if i remember correctly there were two main producers it was all coming from and both were of near equal quality. I doubt this guy would have tried blowing smoke being that he would lose 120k in business each month if this was the case and anyone found out. Albeit he was speaking in terms of diesel, he said this was essentially the same for the BASE gasoline.

Had a friend that worked for a major supplier & he said the same thing. They just add differnt colors of dye & a tiny bit of blah, blah,blah and charge you more - gas is gas. Just buy from a larger supplier so you don't have to worry about getting old fuel. Station with faster turn over will have fresher fuel. Otherwise, don't pay extra - it's all smoke & mirrors...

genxer36 · 01-07-2009, 02:34 AM

Exxon is not always Exxon gas. We have Flash foods chains here. They sell different brand gas at different stations(fuel comes from one supplier). I saw a generic tanker fill up one of the flash foods that was their own brand gas. And then go to one down the street, to a FF that is an Exxon station & fill its tanks.

Taken from Flash Foods website "Fuel South, supplies the petroleum to the c-stores"

Joe B · 01-07-2009, 04:26 AM

Shell 93 is what I se 90% of the time.
Shell is a top tier gas.
I'd use Chevron(also top tier) but there aren't any Chevrons in NJ or maybe the all of the northeast.

http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html

JimmyCrackCorn · 01-07-2009, 07:59 AM

Anything but Exxon/Mobile or Citgo.

Exxon: Because of the Valdez oil spill which occurred in Prince William Sound, Alaska, on March 24, 1989. (They may have done a lot for the environment since then, but I just can't get over it!)

Citgo: Citgo is Venezuela’s petroleum producer. Venezuela is currently run by Hugo Chavez, would be communist dictator who funds terrorism. (I'd sooner support the Saudis!)

I like Chervon, Shell, and QuikTrip. I have all three close to my house, and all three stay very very busy...so the gas is always "fresh".

KraQr · 01-07-2009, 08:08 AM

My 96 taco gets gas from whichever station I am closest to when it needs gas.

The 09 taco and my 05 NSX have only received CHEVRON.

Who knows if all the propaganda is accurate or not but I would rather try to ride on the side of caution since I have well over $120k tied up between these 2 vehicles alone.

Killer Red Taco · 01-07-2009, 08:56 AM

I will run chevron if it is within .10$ of the rest of the gas, next would be shell. I have ran the mexican gas (valero) it runs ok but I put chevron back in after. I swap between 91 and 87.

KraQr · 01-07-2009, 09:03 AM

Question: Maybe I just think illogically but here goes. If it really does give you better preformance/milage to say buy gas at a top teir location, Then does saving 10 cents a gallon at a cut rate brand really equate. I mean if you are saving 10 cents a gallon and buying 20 gallons you actually saved $2 per fillup. Would not the better perfomance/mileage/cleaner engine not be worth that extra $2.

I guess this logic only works if that top tier gas really works better.

01-06-2009, 11:29 PM	#29
Bearskill Senior Member Joined: Sep 2008, #9064 Location: Sac Age: 30 Gender: Male Posts: 637 06 Access cab PreRunner Sport 2006 Access Cab Automatic V6 FlowMaster Exuast, Custom grill, TRD Nerf bars, Icon coilovers set at 3'' lift, Toytec 2'' AAL, Total Chaos UCAs, Mojave Teflons and 31 1/2 Toyo Open Country A/T, and 1 cigarette burn. Damn it!	Unless im in the middle of nowhere and on fumes i ALWAYS use ether Shell or Chevron premium. My baby is worth it. My wife gets Mavrick gas for her car. I swear they cut that stuff with water or something. __________________ 06 Access cab prerunner sport, Icon coilovers set at 2'', Total Chaos UCAs, 2'' Toytec AAL, Mojove Teflon wheels, 31 1/2" Toyo Open Country A/Ts, T-Rex Grill, TRD Stepbars, Flowmaster exuast, and one cigarette burn. Damn it!!!

01-06-2009, 11:48 PM	#31
pittim knows a spot right over the hill Name: Tim Joined: May 2008, #6939 Location: Pittsburgh-ish Age: 20 Gender: Guy Posts: 2,853 03 XCab TRD 4x4 2003 Access Cab Manual 3.4 V6	I've never even seen a Chevron station in PA. I've only seen 2 Shell stations here too. I normally get gas at BP. __________________

01-07-2009, 02:34 AM	#35
genxer36 Not speeding, Qualifying! Name: Sean Joined: Nov 2007, #3442 Location: Bethlehem,GA Age: 41 Gender: Dude Posts: 7,059 2005 Toyota Tacoma DC PreRunner 2005 Double Cab Automatic V6 Fiberglass lid, Tow bar, XM Satellite radio, K & N Air filter, & Channel Vent Visors	Exxon is not always Exxon gas. We have Flash foods chains here. They sell different brand gas at different stations(fuel comes from one supplier). I saw a generic tanker fill up one of the flash foods that was their own brand gas. And then go to one down the street, to a FF that is an Exxon station & fill its tanks. Taken from Flash Foods website "Fuel South, supplies the petroleum to the c-stores" __________________ 2005 Tacoma DC Pre Runner V6, 20" Enkeis with 265/50/20 Nitto NT420 tires, K&N air filter,In-channel vent visors,A.R.E. Tonneau cover, 132,000 miles & still going strong! Facebook

01-07-2009, 04:26 AM	#36
Joe B Senior Member Joined: Oct 2008, #10290 Location: NJ Posts: 814	Shell 93 is what I se 90% of the time. Shell is a top tier gas. I'd use Chevron(also top tier) but there aren't any Chevrons in NJ or maybe the all of the northeast. http://www.toptiergas.com/retailers.html __________________ '09 Silver Streak Mica TRD Sport 4X4 DC LB/TRD Supercharged!!! Tow Pkg/TRD Exhaust/Remote Start/Michelin 265/70-17 LTX A/T2s G-Ridge SS Lines/Hawk Ceramics/5100's/Spring TSB/Undercover/Amsoil '09 Lexus RX 350-Wifey's ride

01-07-2009, 08:08 AM	#38
KraQr I'm controversial, so FU Name: Mr. Dave Joined: Dec 2008, #12021 Location: Destin, Fl Gender: Male Posts: 875 09 DC 4x4 SuperWhite TRD-OR 2009 Double Cab Automatic 6 cyl Camburg Coil Overs, Camburg UCAs, Deaver Leafs, TRD IS wheels w/ BFG KM2s, Westin bull bar, A.R.E Tonneau cover, Bedrug, SES grill, bug deflector, debadged, Big Buck antennae topper	My 96 taco gets gas from whichever station I am closest to when it needs gas. The 09 taco and my 05 NSX have only received CHEVRON. Who knows if all the propaganda is accurate or not but I would rather try to ride on the side of caution since I have well over $120k tied up between these 2 vehicles alone. __________________

01-06-2009, 09:30 PM	#21
TacoCo Aspiring wrench monkey Joined: Aug 2008, #8512 Location: Colorado Gender: Male Posts: 904 09 TRD Off-Road DC V6 Magnetic Gray 2009 Double Cab Manual 4.0L V6 Snugtop XV Shell, Yakima Rack, AFE Pro Dry Filter, Secondary Air Filter Removed, Michelin AT2's, Partially Debadged, HID conversion, Dynomax Super Turbo Muffler, Rear leaf spring TSB, Foglights always on Mod, URD Short Throw Shifter, Toytec Coilovers on the way!	Shell is like $.20+/gallon more expensive than any other station around here, and I got shitty gas mileage with their gas in my old 4Runner. My buddy even owns the Shell station, and I won't fill up there. I usually fill up at the local Conoco/Phillips stations.

01-06-2009, 10:22 PM	#24
sonjay Senior Member Joined: Oct 2008, #9834 Location: An island in the Pacific Gender: Male Posts: 616 05 Black DC 4x4 2005 Double Cab Automatic OME 885, Dakars, heated mirrors	I believe there are different regulations for diesel.

01-06-2009, 10:42 PM	#26
ERdept Senior Member Joined: Oct 2007, #3187 Location: Kali Age: 43 Gender: Male Posts: 1,018	chevron only

01-06-2009, 10:44 PM	#27
Westdog976 Senior Member Joined: Nov 2008, #10514 Location: Las Vegas Age: 27 Gender: Male Posts: 114 4x4 SR5 TRD Sport S/B D/C Magnetic Gray 2009 Double Cab Automatic 4.0L V6 MX black upper and lower girlles, debadged, limo tints, flowmaster dual side exit cat-back, DRLs mod, black stock wheels, smoked LED tails, mag gray eyelids	SHELL and why isn't this a poll?

01-07-2009, 12:09 AM	#32
crasch Junior Member Joined: Nov 2008, #10792 Location: San Diego, CA Gender: Male Posts: 12 08 Rugged Trail Ed. w/Super Charger 2008 Double Cab Manual Rugged Trail equipped, TRD Cat Back Exhaust, TRD Super Charger, Rock Sliders, NAV DVD Radio	Documentation on Gas Quality. Please note that this document is kind of old so may not be completely accurate. For example, I know in all over California, gasoline is oxygenated though out winter and oxygenated all year long in the major cities. MTBE is no longer used in California gas since 2003. http://www.ethanolrfa.org/objects/pd...A/Gasoline.pdf

01-07-2009, 12:38 AM	#33
TRD4x4858 Senior Member Joined: Oct 2008, #10117 Location: San Diego Age: 22 Gender: Dude Posts: 2,992 01 Tacoma 4x4 Lifted 2001 Xtra Cab Automatic 3.4L King Coilovers Bilstein 5125 shocks rear AAL Wheelers Black Steelies 285/75R16 Pro Comp All Terrains K&N CAI CB Radio Blacked Out Headlights Line X	The cheapest thing I can find. I even run Tj gas and my truck runs the same

01-07-2009, 07:59 AM	#37
JimmyCrackCorn All American Country Boy Joined: Dec 2008, #11292 Location: Cumming, GA (N. Atlanta Area) Age: 39 Gender: Male Posts: 841 2008 Black PreRunner TRD Sport Double Cab Automatic 4.0 V6 Aero Kit, 3" Lift, 18% All Around Tint, 50% Windshield Tint, MO 957's (Polished), 285/65/18 Terra Grappler's	Anything but Exxon/Mobile or Citgo. Exxon: Because of the Valdez oil spill which occurred in Prince William Sound, Alaska, on March 24, 1989. (They may have done a lot for the environment since then, but I just can't get over it!) Citgo: Citgo is Venezuela’s petroleum producer. Venezuela is currently run by Hugo Chavez, would be communist dictator who funds terrorism. (I'd sooner support the Saudis!) I like Chervon, Shell, and QuikTrip. I have all three close to my house, and all three stay very very busy...so the gas is always "fresh".

01-07-2009, 08:56 AM	#39
Killer Red Taco NorCal Rock Whore Name: Whatsurname Joined: Aug 2008, #8749 Location: BFE–Norcal Age: 99 Gender: Guy Posts: 1,897 007 Tacoma A/C TRD O/R Impulse Red 4x4 2007 Access Cab Automatic 4.0 V6 Bilstein 5100 on front at 1.75 setting • 5100 on back• K&N Air Filter• TRD Seat Covers• Day Time Running Lights• Foglights Anytime• Hella 500 lights in grille• Rear TSB Springs• Alternative Locker Mod• CB and 4 ft firestick II• Billet Grille• Kid puke in the back!• 265/75R16 Goodyear MT/R• 16" Devino wheels• Hose Clamp Mod• Revenge Fab Sliders• No Sway Bar• A Hottie as Copilot	I will run chevron if it is within .10$ of the rest of the gas, next would be shell. I have ran the mexican gas (valero) it runs ok but I put chevron back in after. I swap between 91 and 87. __________________ Space left blank on purpose.

01-07-2009, 09:03 AM	#40
KraQr I'm controversial, so FU Name: Mr. Dave Joined: Dec 2008, #12021 Location: Destin, Fl Gender: Male Posts: 875 09 DC 4x4 SuperWhite TRD-OR 2009 Double Cab Automatic 6 cyl Camburg Coil Overs, Camburg UCAs, Deaver Leafs, TRD IS wheels w/ BFG KM2s, Westin bull bar, A.R.E Tonneau cover, Bedrug, SES grill, bug deflector, debadged, Big Buck antennae topper	Question: Maybe I just think illogically but here goes. If it really does give you better preformance/milage to say buy gas at a top teir location, Then does saving 10 cents a gallon at a cut rate brand really equate. I mean if you are saving 10 cents a gallon and buying 20 gallons you actually saved $2 per fillup. Would not the better perfomance/mileage/cleaner engine not be worth that extra $2. I guess this logic only works if that top tier gas really works better. __________________

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