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Old 08-18-2012, 04:27 PM   #1
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Fire Extinguisher...get one!

The other day I happened upon a terrible scene on I-10 in Mississippi near Pearlington. A woman trapped in an SUV, on fire. Nobody could get her out, and nobody had a fire extinguisher, and she seemed sure to perish. Through a magnanimous effort by a group of about 20 passers-bye, including myself, she was rescued. Imagine the horror of standing there next to her, you can't get her out, and you have no way to douse the fire, as she is screaming and pleading for help as the engine compartment is becoming fully involved in flame. If fire extinguishers were a standard in cars like seatbelts and airbags, there would have been twenty of them on her, and the fire would have been out in seconds. Instead, she nearly perished, until the extinguishers from 18-wheelers trickled in, and the hose from a cement mixer.

Similarly, this past year we had a bad accident on the I-10 in New Orleans. Even though there were people trying to help, they watched him perish in the flames, as they could not extract him, nor put out the fire. Here are a few links to the story, as I am also a journalist. I hope you find inspiration from it, as everyone there had a role in the rescue...all passers-bye. I don't want this to be a "hero" or congratulatory thread, because I have heard all that and I get it, but I am no more special than any of you who would have done the same thing if you were there. but after you see one of these news reports, ask yourself why you don't keep one, like I have not.

Now, my question is, do you have any good ideas of where to mount one? I have a 2006 TRD Access cab. I could put one in the compartment under the rear jump seats, but its a bit cramped there. Maybe a strategically located bracket in-cab?

Also, can you recommend a good tow rope? A Dodge 4x4 pickup with a Cummings diesel engine pulled the SUV from the trees, which led to her extraction. I was down the road marshaling the semi's onto the shoulder and to the scene, but I read in one account that two tow ropes broke before they pulled the vehicle from the trees. Thanks, and just go get a fire extinguisher, even if you just toss it in the back or under a seat.

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This is exactly why i carry a fire extinguisher in my truck behind the rear seats. You never know what may happen. There's a reason why all commercial trucks have to have one in the cab and i think passenger cars should to but I doubt that'll ever happen.

IIRC the snatch strap i picked up was rated to 18,000 lbs.... or was it 28,000 lbs. Anyways, is probably stronger than a "tow rope" so i'd recommend a 2" or 3" wide snatch strap for tugging vehicles.
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I have an 18,000lb and 5500lb snatch ropes. The lighter one stretches more and is better when attempting a kinetic recovery but also has a better chance of breaking for obvious reasons. I'd use the lighter one to pull a vehicle out of a ditch and the heavier one to pull someone out of the trees.
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I've got a snatch strap in the truck and I have an extinguisher ready but I have to figure out where to mount it in my 08 AC
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Never really got around to mounting it

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I have an 18,000lb and 5500lb snatch ropes. The lighter one stretches more and is better when attempting a kinetic recovery but also has a better chance of breaking for obvious reasons. I'd use the lighter one to pull a vehicle out of a ditch and the heavier one to pull someone out of the trees.
That strap that is securing the extinguisher, did that come with it or is that a mount you bought separately?
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This is exactly why i carry a fire extinguisher in my truck behind the rear seats. You never know what may happen. There's a reason why all commercial trucks have to have one in the cab and i think passenger cars should to but I doubt that'll ever happen.

IIRC the snatch strap i picked up was rated to 18,000 lbs.... or was it 28,000 lbs. Anyways, is probably stronger than a "tow rope" so i'd recommend a 2" or 3" wide snatch strap for tugging vehicles.
I agree about mandatory extinguishers in cars. ABS, airbags, seatbelts, all by law, and a fire extinguisher is pennies compared to that technology. It would be easy enough to simply make it part of the annual vehicle safety inspections. Even if there were only 50 percent compliance, its better than what we have now.
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Great Story OP, glad you were able to help!

I had a 5lb extinguisher in the garage and it fits perfect in the compartment under the seat, so it will now stay there!!!!



As far as a decent tow strap, I keep this one in the tool box, pulled out a 2500 Duramax with a 20 ft trailer and bobcat, so it is plenty strong for normal use

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I sometimes carry a full size in mine for meets lol
If you carry a big one for meets, you are most likely to make the biggest difference if you respond to a vehicle on fire. I would think the biggest you can handle would be best. The first extinguisher on the fire didn't knock it out. The one I got from a trucker that I used on the fire didn't last very long either. I am considering a smaller one in-cab, and a large one secured in the bed. I have a roll-up tonneau, and with a Pop 'N Lock I'd be comfortable mounting one in the bed. And in lieu of a pop and lock, maybe there a way to lock one in a bracket, and keep the key on the key chain with my car key. It would still be out of sight and protected from elements from the tonneau most of the time.
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Props to the OP...

I have a full First Aid kit and a full face mask if I have to perform CPR on someone to revive them if worst case. I never would have thought about a fire extinguisher. My concern is not about the mounting, it's about the cold winters that I live in. There are times in the dead of winter if can get down to -45C with the windchill. Now is it possible of the extinguisher exploding because of the cold and the stuff inside the extinguisher being compressed?
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Never really got around to mounting it

At least you have the # 1 safety item back there.

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No need to loose a sock or use a rock when out wheeling.





I have always carried an extinguisher as long as I can remember. Had to use one on a RV flaming up in the engine once.
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We carry one in our Taco and one in our 86 Toyota pickup.. the Taco had a mounting bracket in the bed next to the rear window along with the Hi-lift jack. Right now it's just sitting in the backseats with all our junk (first aid bag, recovery tool bag) since we moved everything around. I will look for a picture later.

In our 86 there is plenty of space with tube doors and aftermarket bucket seats, so it's mounted right next to the driver seat, which we almost used on the trail once when our buddy's crawler started smoking.


As for a snatch strap, we use the highest rated one from ARB. If you do mudding, where you need might more kinectic energy, use a KERR, aka a bubbarope. You just have to make sure to use the right gear in the right situations for the right weight, or things can break (usually an attachment point).




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http://store.arbusa.com/TowRecovery-Straps-C47.aspx ( we have the ARB snatch strap 33,000 lbs)
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My concern is not about the mounting, it's about the cold winters that I live in. There are times in the dead of winter if can get down to -45C with the windchill. Now is it possible of the extinguisher exploding because of the cold and the stuff inside the extinguisher being compressed?

never seen it happen up here in Fort McMurray, all the trucks and equipment in the mines have them
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That strap that is securing the extinguisher, did that come with it or is that a mount you bought separately?
The mount came with the fire extinguisher. I'm pretty sure most are that way, although some are obviously meant to hang off a wall so you may want to check inside the box before buying.

For general purpose what you want is a 1A, 10B, C fire extinguisher (or bigger if you have the space). Cars are full of class A items (seats, carpet, plastic, etc) and the fires are typically caused by class B items (fuel, oil or transmission fluid getting onto the exhaust). The C rating means you won't get electrocuted when spraying a live circuit.

I'm told the number is an equivilancy vs 1 gallon of water. So 1A means it's the same as having 1 gallon. 10B is 10 gallons, etc.

I have a 5B, C rated extinguisher. It's not as good as the above general purpose extinguisher but it does less damage to the vehicle if I ever have to use it. I have a bigger ABC that goes in the box, but it's not mounted right now so no fancy photos. A halon extinguisher would be even better at not damaging the vehicle, but they're around $180 for a 5B, C equivalent and have their advantages/drawbacks vs dry chemical.
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I think all vehices should be required to have extinguishers onboard. the boating world has realized this, and i'm baffled as to why the automotive world has not followed suit.

I personally would rather not be inside a vehicle unstrapping a fire extinguisher, so i mounted mine outside, so if it's me on fire, i can remove myself from danger as quickly as possible.



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I personally would rather not be inside a vehicle unstrapping a fire extinguisher, so i mounted mine outside, so if it's me on fire, i can remove myself from danger as quickly as possible.
Having one inside the cab means you can fight a fire while stuck inside the cab waiting rescue. It helps if you can reach it while still buckled in. Had that one pointed out to me today. It's ironic this subject came up as a friend and I were talking about this earlier today so I did a bunch of reading up. I'm not normally this well informed about fire fighting equipment.

The ones on the outside mean rescurers can grab yours instead of running back for theirs.
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Having one inside the cab means you can fight a fire while stuck inside the cab waiting rescue. It helps if you can reach it while still buckled in. Had that one pointed out to me today. It's ironic this subject came up as a friend and I were talking about this earlier today so I did a bunch of reading up. I'm not normally this well informed about fire fighting equipment.

The ones on the outside mean rescurers can grab yours instead of running back for theirs.
to be worth it inside, it should be reachable from your seat, when the seatbet locks up on you. if it's hiden in the back somewhere, it's just as hard to get to as an outside one, only difference being you have to go back into the truck instead of getting away from it. problem is, most people don't like the look of an extinguisher up in the front seat where it is easily accessible.
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