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Old 11-02-2012, 04:49 PM   #21
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I saw a bumper sticker on a logging truck about the eco-Kooks, it said.

" When you feel like complaining about logging, try wiping your ass with a piece of plastic. "
Developing alternate technologies and fuels doesn't make you an eco-Kook
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:22 PM   #22
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It does when it's not driven by economics.
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:32 PM   #23
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It does when it's not driven by economics.
I disagree

non poluting technologies > poluting technologies
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:32 PM   #24
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not in the sense of economics eco kook

not yet
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:33 PM   #25
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not in the sense of economics eco kook

not yet
eh ?
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:43 PM   #26
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Electric pickup truck won't be viable for a long time, because the battery pack eats directly into payload capacity, and Tacomas do not have a lot of profit margins built into it compared to premium brands like Range Rover. I would say electric cars like the Tesla Model S with 300-mile range already competes favorably against gas-powered cars like the M5. I posted this a while back:

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The magazine says the M5 used in the test carried a sticker price of $106,695 (after destination) and tipped the scales at 4,387 lbs (1,989kg), while the Model S was priced at $102,270 and weighed in at 4,640 lbs (2,105 kg).
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Old 11-02-2012, 05:51 PM   #27
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:10 PM   #28
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Electric pickup truck won't be viable for a long time, because the battery pack eats directly into payload capacity, and Tacomas do not have a lot of profit margins built into it compared to premium brands like Range Rover. I would say electric cars like the Tesla Model S with 300-mile range already competes favorably against gas-powered cars like the M5. I posted this a while back:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvHTN0Yi1t4
Not really true. small pickups are in use right now, my college uses them, similar to this. You added no speed or weight minimum qualifier so this applies.

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Old 11-02-2012, 06:12 PM   #29
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I disagree

non poluting technologies > poluting technologies
unless the "non polluting" tech costs 9 times as much, then it starts killing everything it touches.
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:28 PM   #30
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Not really true. small pickups are in use right now, my college uses them, similar to this. You added no speed or weight minimum qualifier so this applies.

Cool, though the payload is probably not much more than a Cushman

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Old 11-02-2012, 06:30 PM   #31
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unless the "non polluting" tech costs 9 times as much, then it starts killing everything it touches.
You can't develop new technologies if you never develop them , prices will come down , we're not riding horses are we ?
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:33 PM   #32
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The ICE is leaps and bounds above horses. Electric vehicles not so much.

New technologies will shine when they either match efficiency and economics of current ICEs, or exceed.

For now, they don't.

The eco fucks are trying to force the economics part.
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:35 PM   #33
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New technologies will shine when they either match efficiency and economics of current ICEs, or exceed.

For now, they don't.
Exactly , my point , never developing / implementing these technologies won't move them closer to parity
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:37 PM   #34
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Guess you better get developing... good luck.
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:38 PM   #35
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Guess you better get developing... good luck.
You would suggest a freeze on development ?
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Old 11-02-2012, 06:39 PM   #36
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I would suggest the markets will do what makes the most sense and that the eco fucks not try to push their agenda with the government(our) to invest OUR money into this.
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eh ?
Develop all the cleaner technologies you want.

Only the rare eco-kooks who actually practise what they preach will spend more to buy it.

When alternative technologies are economically and socially viable, they will be produced and purchased.
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I would suggest the markets will do what makes the most sense and that the eco fucks not try to push their agenda with the government to invest OUR money into this.
Oh , I get it now , for you this is a political discussion , I was coming at it from a neutral standpoint

There is no reason to carry on
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Oh , I get it now , for you this is a political discussion , I was coming at it from a neutral standpoint

There is no reason to carry on
It is not the government's job to develop new technologies.
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Develop all the cleaner technologies you want.

Only the rare eco-kooks who actually practise what they preach will spend more to buy it.

When alternative technologies are economically and socially viable, they will be produced and purchased.
Again , how do you make them economically viable without developing them ? It's not like cleaner emmissions / better fuel economy is a bad thing
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