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Old 11-16-2012, 07:09 PM   #61
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Good to know about the shock length. I'm using OME 885 springs (longer length than coilovers) and OME nitrocharger shocks. I'm not sure on the shock length spec on these, so maybe a stock BJ is correct for me then. Thank-you Miles for your prompt reply.
If you are using stock length shock then yes you don't need longer balljoint. I have issues using stock length shock when I use OME Dakkar springs. The front has to be lifted to compliment rear and it starts to reduce Droop making the shock hit its full extension easily resulting in a horrible ride. With the longer shock you can match the ride height and still have lots of droop. The longer BJ or Uniball will allow this extra droop. Using stock length shock with Aftermarket UCAs is useless because if you lift truck with coilovers you are intruding on the very important droop which will cause the wheels to easily leave the ground. 3 inches or more droop is ideal..if wheel suddenly arrives upon a hole it must have droop to "fall" in the hole without fully extending the shock before the bottom of hole is reached. If it dosnt have enough droop due to high ride height the wheel is off the ground and the truck falls into the hole instead of just the wheel...this results in a horrible ride and a thump sound as the shock hits it's full extension. ..Just my observations!!!!!
Measure your present fender to tire clearance then center jack the front until the tire bulge starts to go away and remeasure tire to fender clearance. If you are
Less than 3in droop ride will suffer..greater than 3 inches ride improves significantly.

In a nutshell Stock length shock..no UCA required, lift worsens ride.
Extended travel shock like Part Number: FOX880-02-418,UCA Required you can lift a bit and still have lots of droop..ride is great!!!
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Good to know about the shock length. I'm using OME 885 springs (longer length than coilovers) and OME nitrocharger shocks. I'm not sure on the shock length spec on these, so maybe a stock BJ is correct for me then. Thank-you Miles for your prompt reply.
Here is info on your OME VS Stock shock length

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/sus...mpilation.html
Seems that OMEs are short !!
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Thank-you Miles for the engineering info. I went out and made the measurement (from the bottom lip of the wheel to the edge of the wheel well) at 32" and then jacked the truck up to achieve maximum droop and ended up with 34" = 2" droop, leaving
3.12" of compression available based on the Nitrocharger Sport shock.

Its actually a bit surprising how little travel there is on the front compared to the back. (Rear is 10" travel, +1" over stock with AP Expo leafs & WE 2" emulsion shocks)

I am very happy with the on-road improvements over stock, and off road on forest service roads is far improved over stock. I did gamble a bit on mixing digressive valving with Walker Evans shocks on the rear, and progressive valving of the OME shocks up front. So far I've been very happy with the improvement over stock on washboard gravel roads and haven't encountered any noticeable (by my limited skills) negative impact of mixing up the two types of shock valving. In real world terms I can definitely leave other vehicles struggling to maintain control with an estimated safe speed difference of +20km/hr gain. New bumpstops up front made a world of difference too, and I'd probably recommend just that mod alone provided great bang (or lack thereof) for the buck over stock.
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If you are using stock length shock then yes you don't need longer balljoint. I have issues using stock length shock when I use OME Dakkar springs. The front has to be lifted to compliment rear and it starts to reduce Droop making the shock hit its full extension easily resulting in a horrible ride. With the longer shock you can match the ride height and still have lots of droop. The longer BJ or Uniball will allow this extra droop. Using stock length shock with Aftermarket UCAs is useless because if you lift truck with coilovers you are intruding on the very important droop which will cause the wheels to easily leave the ground. 3 inches or more droop is ideal..if wheel suddenly arrives upon a hole it must have droop to "fall" in the hole without fully extending the shock before the bottom of hole is reached. If it dosnt have enough droop due to high ride height the wheel is off the ground and the truck falls into the hole instead of just the wheel...this results in a horrible ride and a thump sound as the shock hits it's full extension. ..Just my observations!!!!!
Measure your present fender to tire clearance then center jack the front until the tire bulge starts to go away and remeasure tire to fender clearance. If you are
Less than 3in droop ride will suffer..greater than 3 inches ride improves significantly.

In a nutshell Stock length shock..no UCA required, lift worsens ride.
Extended travel shock like Part Number: FOX880-02-418,UCA Required you can lift a bit and still have lots of droop..ride is great!!!
Fox Racing Toyota Tacoma 2005 - Current
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Based on what you said, it looks like this may be the set for me. I only want a 2"-3" lift, and I'm after more of an expedition setup for desert travel. Good to see Bud's skid plates meet your needs. I went with 1/4" aluminum to save weight. No major rock crawling for my daily driver.

This is a great thread, and I really appreciate all of the advice. I'm still using the stock Offroad suspension, and I know the rear springs don't have the capacity I need. I doubt the TSB will improve matters much, so OME Dakars are on my list.
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Wrong country, wrong continent!
The jungle gold show is in Ghana Africa, Guyana is in South America.
Bamazon, baby!

I haven't watched a second of it, but that's a great name.
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Thank-you Miles for the engineering info. I went out and made the measurement (from the bottom lip of the wheel to the edge of the wheel well) at 32" and then jacked the truck up to achieve maximum droop and ended up with 34" = 2" droop, leaving
3.12" of compression available based on the Nitrocharger Sport shock.

Its actually a bit surprising how little travel there is on the front compared to the back. (Rear is 10" travel, +1" over stock with AP Expo leafs & WE 2" emulsion shocks)

I am very happy with the on-road improvements over stock, and off road on forest service roads is far improved over stock. I did gamble a bit on mixing digressive valving with Walker Evans shocks on the rear, and progressive valving of the OME shocks up front. So far I've been very happy with the improvement over stock on washboard gravel roads and haven't encountered any noticeable (by my limited skills) negative impact of mixing up the two types of shock valving. In real world terms I can definitely leave other vehicles struggling to maintain control with an estimated safe speed difference of +20km/hr gain. New bumpstops up front made a world of difference too, and I'd probably recommend just that mod alone provided great bang (or lack thereof) for the buck over stock.
OME shocks are fine but they have their disadvantages..fine tuning lift is a pain as they don't have adjustable rings which you can just wind up or down. They dont have remote reservoirs for long rough fast drives..heating up and shock fade and they don't have the travel of the Fox Shockgiving more droop. 2inch Droop is very little..you will be amazed with the ride if you get 3 or more in droop...longer shock with UCA. If you are a slow take your time off road driver your setup will be just fine.
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Based on what you said, it looks like this may be the set for me. I only want a 2"-3" lift, and I'm after more of an expedition setup for desert travel. Good to see Bud's skid plates meet your needs. I went with 1/4" aluminum to save weight. No major rock crawling for my daily driver.

This is a great thread, and I really appreciate all of the advice. I'm still using the stock Offroad suspension, and I know the rear springs don't have the capacity I need. I doubt the TSB will improve matters much, so OME Dakars are on my list.
For stock Lower arms this is the best setup for long travel IFS. Also most reliable as no Uniballs to wear out. The high speed off road ride is amazing.
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Timbren bump stops for the huge hits.

Truck as it sits now with 3in Droop and 700lb coils. Changing to 600lb coils and lowering to 4 in droop.
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Miles, any updates on the truck? I wondered if it was still in transport or slinging mud yet.

I have a few more questions for you.

Do you remember the part number for the rear FJ Cruiser Fox shocks?
Why did you choose that shock over one of their Tacoma specific models?

Any rebound issues with the Timbren SES stops?
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DoorDing, thanks for setting me up with all of Miles' build threads... and keeping me up for hours! hahaha...

Miles! Amazing work man!

I've got some questions, similar set up as your trucks, but don't want to clog up your thread with my stuff... a link to my post in a thread with questions:
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WOW great work Miles. Definitely a great read.

Do you plan to drive from Florida to South America? Or transport the truck there for the expedition?
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WOW great work Miles. Definitely a great read.

Do you plan to drive from Florida to South America? Or transport the truck there for the expedition?
It will be shipping out hopefully this week in a container.
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Miles, any updates on the truck? I wondered if it was still in transport or slinging mud yet.

I have a few more questions for you.

Do you remember the part number for the rear FJ Cruiser Fox shocks?
Why did you choose that shock over one of their Tacoma specific models?

Any rebound issues with the Timbren SES stops?

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FOX980-02-417

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Fox Shox Factory Series Rear Shock w/Remote Reservoir 0-1'' Lift for 2003-2011 Toyota 4Runner/FJ Cruiser 4wd/2wd
I use this shock because I use the Dakkar springs which is a thicker leaf pack. This puts the axle housing a few inches lower. The FJ shock is longer so it gives more articulation compared to the shorter Tacoma rear Fox. You need to change and trim the lower bushing..also get a shock boot to protect the shaft.
When empty and you hit a big hole with Rear Timbrens there is a slight rebound but this truck will be loaded up in the rear and it helps alot with hitting huge holes.
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I use this shock because I use the Dakkar springs which is a thicker leaf pack. This puts the axle housing a few inches lower. The FJ shock is longer so it gives more articulation compared to the shorter Tacoma rear Fox. You need to change and trim the lower bushing..also get a shock boot to protect the shaft.
When empty and you hit a big hole with Rear Timbrens there is a slight rebound but this truck will be loaded up in the rear and it helps alot with hitting huge holes.
05+ Fox Part # 980-02-372-A - 2.0" rear piggy back shocks Ext. length:22.27" & Col. length:11.37"
FJ cruiser rear Fox.FOX-980-02-417-A 07-09 FJ Cruiser Rear (Single) Stock 2.0" Factory Series PiggyBack 23.25" 14.65"

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It will be shipping out hopefully this week in a container.
Very cool, have a great time man
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Miles, thanks again for the quick response. I'll add those shocks to my parts list and start saving, but I'm ordering Timbrens today. I think they'll fit my needs (now and with a new suspension) better than Super Bumps.

I know we're all looking forward to seeing the '05 in the mud. If you or your cigar chompin' buddy can shoot a video of it in action, that'd be great!
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Those guys must love opening a Conex box from you. How many trucks have you sent, and how long do they normally last before they move on to new owners?
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