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Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by Keith120286, Dec 13, 2012.

  1. Dec 13, 2012 at 11:37 PM
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    Keith120286

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  2. Dec 13, 2012 at 11:56 PM
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    It should say in the owners manual. I would not do it becuse you will be trying to spin the gears and there will be no oil flow and you will potententually destroy your trans, x-fer case and possibly other driveline components.
     
  3. Dec 14, 2012 at 12:35 AM
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    What if the OP unbolts the driveshafts prior to flat towing the truck?
     
  4. Dec 14, 2012 at 12:58 AM
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    I was just going to say, ask Wyatt. Need to know what spins and if the oil pump still works. As far as a 6spd manual, kinda the same story, how does it lubricate itself and what spins while in neutral with the driveshaft turning?
     
  5. Dec 14, 2012 at 12:59 AM
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    I'd say pull the driveshaft.
     
  6. Dec 14, 2012 at 1:08 AM
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    The drive shaft will spin the main cluster of gears in the trans and they'll sling oil everywhere even when in neutral. This scenario is a manual trans with no tc being coasted or towed, engine shut off.
     
  7. Dec 14, 2012 at 1:22 AM
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    I'd figure in neutral is fine, else pull the shafts.

    Being the TC is electric, I wouldn't think it would engage without power from the switch.

    The gears will still spin, but won't have proper cooling circulation...which could cause a shell out in an extreme case.
     
  8. Dec 14, 2012 at 4:40 AM
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    Any time, and I do mean ANY TIME, you put a manual t case in neutral regardless of what the transmission is doing you will be able to spin the front drive shaft freely and if the rear tires are off the ground you'll be able to spin the rear drive shaft by itself along with the rear tires because they are attached to the rear drive shaft via the rear diff, as well. The t case is behind the transmission and both drive shafts are behind the transfercase. If you put the t case into neutral, another words your putting the hi/neutral/lo shift rail into the center position which is neutral, the rear out out shaft is now disengaged from the front input shaft which is attached to the transmission. You could have the transmission in park, 6th gear, 1st gear, reverse or any other gear and the truck would still be in neutral. there is no special transmission/transfer case combination that allows the drive shafts to spin freely other than putting the transfer case into neutral.
    that being said.
    The problem with the 2nd gen Tacoma's is that they do not have a neutral position in the electronic transfer case, which is another reason to go to the FJ case in these trucks, and therefore the only way to get the truck to roll freely is to put the transmission into neutral. Now, thats not to say that you can flat tow it. the six speed tranny has issues already and throwing this in the mix is not something I would do with my truck.

    I say put it on a trailer and be safe.
     
  9. Dec 14, 2012 at 4:42 AM
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    The transfercase is always engaged. thats how you get rolling when you put your truck into gear.

    The only way it's not engaged is when you have a manual transfer case and you put it into neutral.
     
  10. Dec 14, 2012 at 4:47 AM
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    Thats not always true. In the Tacoma t case the oil pump seen here is connected to the front planetary gear set. If you could put this t case into neutral, and you can't, the rear portion of the t case would spin but not the front which is where the oil pump is located. Therefore no oil is going to the rear of the t case where the output shaft and chaini is.

    The oil pump is at the bottom of the picture.
    DSC00034640x480_24fd508513bdfdbbf8bf26649571d3c64e4de6f8.jpg
     
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  12. Dec 14, 2012 at 8:05 AM
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    The scenario I posted was a manual trans only, no tc. At the time I assumed he was referring to a 6 spd trans and not talking about the tc. I'll be the first to state that I'm definitely not up to speed when it comes to all these new fancy parts modern trucks come with.
     
  13. Dec 14, 2012 at 8:31 AM
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    The auto trans in the 2nd gen Tacomas is by far a better transmission than the six or five speed Toyota makes now and can be shifted just like the manuals can and will hold what ever gear you select.

    In the past I would say to with a manual tranny but not anymore. The newer autos are just made too good to pass up now.
     
  14. Dec 14, 2012 at 10:19 AM
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    I know most of the chain driven t cases have their oil pumps driven on the input side of the case. This is coming from a owner's manual of a 2005 GMC truck on towing.

    2WD Auto and manual: Tow with rear off the ground and front wheels on the ground

    4WD Auto: Put trans in Park, T case in Neutral, tow with all wheels on the ground

    4WD Manual: Tow truck on a flat bed. Or remove driveshafts and tow with all wheels on the ground

    The 4wd drive systems have only really changed on how you engage in the past 30 years, not the t case or even the axle. Most have been chain driven since the early 70's and this towing advice applies to pretty much all trucks.
     
  15. Dec 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM
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    Just pull the rear driveshaft. It's 10 bolts and takes 10 minutes at the most! As long as you are in 2wd the front driveshaft turning shouldn't be an issue either, would be like driving it down the road in 2wd normally for the front end.
     
  16. Dec 14, 2012 at 1:40 PM
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    No problem. I just want people to understand what they have in their trucks and how it works

    No. I haven't heard from him about it yet.
     
  17. Dec 14, 2012 at 4:52 PM
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    If you leave the drive shaft in an auto you'll be buying a transmission. The 6 speed spins the main shaft and a counter shaft don't see where that would be an issue throws a good bit of oil around. Long distance over a couple hundred miles remove the rear drive shaft what the hell it's a simply task the front should be fine it's no different then normal driving the same stuff spins any way.
     
  18. Dec 14, 2012 at 6:45 PM
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    Drive shaft disconnects installed by a qualified driveline shop will allow flat towing..
     
  19. Dec 14, 2012 at 7:59 PM
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    It be cheaper to get a trailer.

    I'd just pull the drive shaft, btw all Toyota 4wd trucks, 4runners, and 1st gen tacomas have to have the driveshafts removed to flat tow. I'd imagine that this would hold true for newer trucks as well. If you only have to tow it once you might want to look at renting a trailer.
     
  20. Dec 15, 2012 at 5:11 AM
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    If you leave the front drive shaft in you can still move it around by just putting it in 4 wheel high.
     

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