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Old 01-31-2013, 05:08 PM   #241
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I'm not doing anything to maintain my frame. I change the oil, plugs, filters etc. - the type of items any reasonable person would consider a wear item requiring maintenance on any vehicle. The frame does not fall into this catagory and I'll be damned if I'm adding it to my lifes' "to do" list.
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I'm not doing anything to maintain my frame. I change the oil, plugs, filters etc. - the type of items any reasonable person would consider a wear item requiring maintenance on any vehicle. The frame does not fall into this catagory and I'll be damned if I'm adding it to my lifes' "to do" list.
agreed.

i'm hopeing for a G1 style buy back program.
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I'm not doing anything to maintain my frame. I change the oil, plugs, filters etc. - the type of items any reasonable person would consider a wear item requiring maintenance on any vehicle. The frame does not fall into this catagory and I'll be damned if I'm adding it to my lifes' "to do" list.
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agreed.

i'm hopeing for a G1 style buy back program.
I'm with these guys...

If Toyota cannot design and build a vehicle to last in elements that it is being sold in, they should be forced to conduct buy backs and repair programs like the Gen 1 program. There are many other manufacturers' vehicles that have zero issues in the same conditions and treated much worse than our vehicles that do not have the signs of rust and deterioration, why can't Toyota get it right?
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I'd rather not hope for the best after seeing the possible results of not doing anything. Splattering Fluid Film only takes a few minutes and a few dollars, and it protects more than the frame.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:43 AM   #245
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I'm not doing anything to maintain my frame. I change the oil, plugs, filters etc. - the type of items any reasonable person would consider a wear item requiring maintenance on any vehicle. The frame does not fall into this catagory and I'll be damned if I'm adding it to my lifes' "to do" list.
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agreed.

i'm hopeing for a G1 style buy back program.
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I'm with these guys...

If Toyota cannot design and build a vehicle to last in elements that it is being sold in, they should be forced to conduct buy backs and repair programs like the Gen 1 program. There are many other manufacturers' vehicles that have zero issues in the same conditions and treated much worse than our vehicles that do not have the signs of rust and deterioration, why can't Toyota get it right?
I would agree with that in principle since other manufacturers do not seem to have rust problems of this scale. If Ford, Nissan, XY manufacturer can produce vehicles that do not have these problems while being driven in the same conditions, why should I expect any less from a Toyota, especially if I pay premium price for one.

That being said, that does not help me if my own truck starts rusting out from underneath. Relying on Toyota to step up once again and offer a buy back/frame replacement does not seem like the best plan of action unfortunately. Taking care of the frame or sadly getting rid of the truck seems like a better plan in my eyes.

If frame rust issue proves to be the case with second gens as it was with 1st gens and Tundra's, it will be enough of a reason for me not to buy another Toyota next time around. You would think they would have learned that from the frame fiasco last time around...

Now I should have another look underneath my own truck and see in what shape the frame is in...

I hope this post did not come across the wrong way. I hope we hear soon from OP with a good update.
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I would agree with that in principle since other manufacturers do not seem to have rust problems of this scale. If Ford, Nissan, XY manufacturer can produce vehicles that do not have these problems while being driven in the same conditions, why should I expect any less from a Toyota, especially if I pay premium price for one.

That being said, that does not help me if my own truck starts rusting out from underneath. Relying on Toyota to step up once again and offer a buy back/frame replacement does not seem like the best plan of action unfortunately. Taking care of the frame or sadly getting rid of the truck seems like a better plan in my eyes.

If frame rust issue proves to be the case with second gens as it was with 1st gens and Tundra's, it will be enough of a reason for me not to buy another Toyota next time around. You would think they would have learned that from the frame fiasco last time around...

Now I should have another look underneath my own truck and see in what shape the frame is in...

I hope this post did not come across the wrong way. I hope we hear soon from OP with a good update.
No, you did not come across in a bad way. I completely understand what you are saying, I just respectfully disagree with anyone that thinks that this is an acceptable practice, having to break out the wire brush once a year and clean the frame/undercarriage and paint/seal with rust inhibitors.

With this rust issue in mind, I am looking to sell/trade my 2006 Tacoma as we speak. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it, aside from the rusty undercarriage, but I do not feel comfortable keeping it any longer fearing that I will be "stuck" with a 10 year old truck with less than 100k miles that can no longer be drive and worth nothing more than scrap value. Needless to say, Toyota is NOT an option that I am considering, unfortunately.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:31 AM   #247
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... I just respectfully disagree with anyone that thinks that this is an acceptable practice, having to break out the wire brush once a year and clean the frame/undercarriage and paint/seal with rust inhibitors.
That really isn't necessary. It takes less than an hour to spray Fluid Film once a year, with no wire brush, masking, or sealing involved. I understand that you don't want to do that, but it's not a laborious task.
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No, you did not come across in a bad way. I completely understand what you are saying, I just respectfully disagree with anyone that thinks that this is an acceptable practice, having to break out the wire brush once a year and clean the frame/undercarriage and paint/seal with rust inhibitors.

With this rust issue in mind, I am looking to sell/trade my 2006 Tacoma as we speak. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it, aside from the rusty undercarriage, but I do not feel comfortable keeping it any longer fearing that I will be "stuck" with a 10 year old truck with less than 100k miles that can no longer be drive and worth nothing more than scrap value. Needless to say, Toyota is NOT an option that I am considering, unfortunately.
That is understandable, can't blame you for that if it is already in bad shape.

Mine did not look too bad last time I checked a few months ago, but the paint peels off in the spots where I place the jack to lift the truck up when changing a tire etc. I fear it will go downhill from there quick. This is its 7th Alberta winter and 4th for sure without being parked in a garage. (I'm the second owner...) I planned to keep if for another 10 years, so hopefully that will be the case still...
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That really isn't necessary. It takes less than an hour to spray Fluid Film once a year, with no wire brush, masking, or sealing involved. I understand that you don't want to do that, but it's not a laborious task.
Right, it isn't a laborious task for me at 28, but what about the 70 year old man that bought a truck that should have lasted the rest of his life? Should he, at 75, have to go out in his driveway and spray down the frame/undercarriage of his 5 year old truck or pay someone to do it? Believe me, I have no problem with doing scheduled maintenance to my vehicles. I will gladly wrench on my worn truck to replace u-joints, bearings, bushings, etc to keep it running properly and safely, but to say that it is necessary to do any more than wash and keep clean the underside of your truck is like saying that you should have to repaint your truck every couple of years so the body does not rot out.
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Old 02-05-2013, 11:50 AM   #250
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Right, it isn't a laborious task for me at 28, but what about the 70 year old man that bought a truck that should have lasted the rest of his life? Should he, at 75, have to go out in his driveway and spray down the frame/undercarriage of his 5 year old truck or pay someone to do it? Believe me, I have no problem with doing scheduled maintenance to my vehicles. I will gladly wrench on my worn truck to replace u-joints, bearings, bushings, etc to keep it running properly and safely, but to say that it is necessary to do any more than wash and keep clean the underside of your truck is like saying that you should have to repaint your truck every couple of years so the body does not rot out.
You're missing my point. Please note that I've supported the OP's efforts throughout this thread.

I agree that there shouldn't be a rust issue, but the reality is that there very well may be one. If you're able to prevent it with minimal effort, it seems wise to do so. You can still complain to Toyota without becoming a case study in corrosion, or getting rid of a truck every few years. It's your choice.
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I had the frame replaced on my 2001.
After the job was done, I took it to the car wash for a complete wash, then drove directly to the Ziebart shop and had them Ziebart the truck.
That was Jan. 2010 and it is holding up well. Still looks sealed and no rust.
I always check when getting the oil changed.
I've had 6 vehicles Ziebarted and they aways looked rust-free when traded/sold.
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Doording mentioned preventing frame failure. There is a difference between preventing and prolonging. In my mind "preventing" means it's not going to happen at all over what most people would expect the lifetime of the vehicle to be. That sounds great if it works (not trying to pick on DD, he just stated something that works in my scenerio), but I don't wheel or drive on the beach and I'd like my truck to last a long time. My concern in maintaining my frame would be this, that I'd merely prolong my frames eventual demise past the point of eligibility for a buyback/replacement program. Then I'd really be kicking myself.
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Ok, saw this thread, read most of it and just HAD to go crawl under our newly purchased '06 DC for a look-see. Compared to the OP's photo, our frame & suspension components look almost new--just a few small rock chips--after 83K miles. Most everything visible is still covered in the original black paint, which is slightly oxidized.

Just so ya know, the truck has spent its entire life out here in the dry climate of western Colorado. We do get some snow in the winter, and the state uses magnesium chloride on the roads when icy/slippery, but no salt.
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Doording mentioned preventing frame failure. There is a difference between preventing and prolonging. In my mind "preventing" means it's not going to happen at all over what most people would expect the lifetime of the vehicle to be. That sounds great if it works (not trying to pick on DD, he just stated something that works in my scenerio), but I don't wheel or drive on the beach and I'd like my truck to last a long time. My concern in maintaining my frame would be this, that I'd merely prolong my frames eventual demise past the point of eligibility for a buyback/replacement program. Then I'd really be kicking myself.
That's a fair point, but again, the downside of doing nothing and hoping Toyota takes care of whatever comes of that inaction seems foolish if you're really concerned about frame rust. Look at what the OP has had to deal with so far. He doesn't have a resolution, and Toyota still might tell him to pound sand. That's what can come from inaction.

Read up on Fluid Film and some of the other rust inhibiting treatments. In the case of FF, it's good enough for U.S. military use in saltwater environments. That's good enough for me to give it a try.
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Ok, saw this thread, read most of it and just HAD to go crawl under our newly purchased '06 DC for a look-see. Compared to the OP's photo, our frame & suspension components look almost new--just a few small rock chips--after 83K miles. Most everything visible is still covered in the original black paint, which is slightly oxidized.

Just so ya know, the truck has spent its entire life out here in the dry climate of western Colorado. We do get some snow in the winter, and the state uses magnesium chloride on the roads when icy/slippery, but no salt.
Glad it's ok. BTW, magnesium chloride is a salt, and it will cause rust.
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OP here. no news to report. truck still on dealer lot.
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OP here. no news to report. truck still on dealer lot.
Sorry to hear they are still dragging their feet. I would be beyond irritated at the situation and start expanding my exposure since Toyota does not feel the need to act appropriately to find a resolution.
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OP UPDATE

Phone call from dealership today. Our letter has initiated some action. I would like to have it in writing before I say anything further here. hopefully I can post something next week.
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Doording mentioned preventing frame failure. There is a difference between preventing and prolonging. In my mind "preventing" means it's not going to happen at all over what most people would expect the lifetime of the vehicle to be. That sounds great if it works (not trying to pick on DD, he just stated something that works in my scenerio), but I don't wheel or drive on the beach and I'd like my truck to last a long time. My concern in maintaining my frame would be this, that I'd merely prolong my frames eventual demise past the point of eligibility for a buyback/replacement program. Then I'd really be kicking myself.
I've covered my frame (and especially the trouble areas noted) with Fluid Film a couple of times already this season. I would view this as prolonging, not preventing, as it's the factory paint/coating that is the weak spot.

If I recall correctly on the 1st Gen recall if the frame passed the test were coated and the frame was then warrantied for 15 years after the initial sale or something like that.

I would think that 15 years is a good run for a truck and I would assume any coating they give you would give you another 5-7 years.
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