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Old 12-19-2012, 06:31 AM   #81
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Also OP
I had started frame rusted through club in 2011
http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/2nd...ough-club.html

This is how it starts.
I went to Toyota to open the case. they supposedly send Eng but he said its not bad. However, I wanted them to have complain on books. Notice its similar spot o n the frame as yours just on the outside.

Also I was spot on

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I wil ltake a pic of my Toyota 94 LC frame that had never been touched (factory rust protection)

I find it funny that you now talking about 1gen of Tundra. You do understand that Tundra is 2gen of T100, right? renamed to Tundra...
and our Trucks are old Tundra/T100 with new body and updated engine.
Not sure why you bringing Raptor to conversation. Red Hearing ...

BTW of course you not goign to find 2gen truck with hole through the frame. Its too early. It took 7 -8 years for Tundra to rust through so first 2gen Tacoma with hole in the frame should be here around 2012-2013.
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:32 AM   #82
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what's in a name?

a little brainstorming:

I'm trying to come up with a good name for the group / campaign that we will need to run across the internet (website, facebook etc) to gather everyone who's having second gen problems.

I was thinking rustytacos but, strangely, that's the name of a tex-mex franchise already.

from the little I've seen, tundra owners are also experiencing these problems. so we want something inclusive.

and we want something that is descriptive (hello search engines) without being subject to a take-down demand by TMC because it violates trademark or impugns their good name or some crap like that.

ideas?
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:39 AM   #83
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a little brainstorming:

I'm trying to come up with a good name for the group / campaign that we will need to run across the internet (website, facebook etc) to gather everyone who's having second gen problems.

I was thinking rustytacos but, strangely, that's the name of a tex-mex franchise already.

from the little I've seen, tundra owners are also experiencing these problems. so we want something inclusive.

and we want something that is descriptive (hello search engines) without being subject to a take-down demand by TMC because it violates trademark or impugns their good name or some crap like that.

ideas?
I just sent you PM with pottential name.
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:42 AM   #84
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yeah, feel free to PM them to me if you don't want to share with the class just yet

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Old 12-19-2012, 08:43 AM   #85
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Hmm. Im gonna stick my inspection camera in the boxed part of the frame this week. I wonder how bad it is... Outside of the frame looks like shit
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Old 12-19-2012, 08:47 AM   #86
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subbed because mine looked that bad (the surface rust areas) before i coated the exterior of the frame with chassis saver.
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:30 AM   #87
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we're at approx 155,000 miles

many thanks for the figures. very helpful.
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:36 AM   #88
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Old 12-19-2012, 09:57 AM   #89
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ok,
quote from Michaels toyota in Bellevue WA for replacing the frame.
Frame Assy $5,579.96
Install new frame $5,750.00 40 hours to install at $115 per hour.
Maybe you can work out a deal with the dealership. You buy the frame, they pickup the labor cost. In trade you keep it out of the local news.
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Do you really think that frame rusted out in one year?

Its the fact that the local dealership serviced and sold a vehicle with a rotten frame.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:36 AM   #91
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^ i dont think the news would give 2 shits about a truck with a rusty frame.
The news might... it's a safety concern. The dealership must be held accountable since they're the ones that supposedly did the so called "100 point inspection."
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:46 AM   #92
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no, im sure it was pretty bad when it was sold.. who knows really.. OP didnt know..
cars are sold used every day and have issues.. when was the last time you saw it on the news?
I think it woudld be great if the news added pressure.. I just dont think they will.. just my opinion.
But this one was sold after it got checked off by a 100 point inspection as safe to drive... only to find out its got a gapping hole in the frame so large that the dealership won't let the customer drive it home.
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I was just contacted this morning by a guy I know well who has a 2005 and has the same exact hole just smaller. He has kept his frame up to par with sanding and painting on the exterior of the boxed section.
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tell him to sign up and get in on this thread with us. has he contacted his dealer or TMC?
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Old 12-19-2012, 12:48 PM   #95
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I was just contacted this morning by a guy I know well who has a 2005 and has the same exact hole just smaller. He has kept his frame up to par with sanding and painting on the exterior of the boxed section.
I'm not saying that the '05 owner didn't do this, but if someone opts to sand and paint, I think it's very important to use a self-etching primer or some other method to address the rust prior to applying a top coat. Without doing that, the rust just gets knocked down a bit and sanding provides more freshly roughed up steel for it to attack.
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Old 12-19-2012, 01:32 PM   #96
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I would never mention that I sanded and painted anything on the truck.. once you remove a factory coating.. even if its crap.. you have shot your self in the foot on getting assistance from them. You will never win the fight that taking off their coating, and applying your own is better.. and they will say you then caused the rust issue.
Good point, and another reason for using an inhibitor like Fluid Film. It's designed to stop rust, and can be cleaned off for further inspection; nothing done during manufacturing is disturbed. A disadvantage of hard shell undercoating treatments is that they eventually allow water to enter through cracks or abrasions, and then it's trapped against the metal, with no easy way to inspect for corrosion.

It's really sad to see this problem reoccurring. After the recall, I'd hoped Toyota made some significant improvements to their frame process to address the problem. Guess not.
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Good point, and another reason for using an inhibitor like Fluid Film. It's designed to stop rust, and can be cleaned off for further inspection; nothing done during manufacturing is disturbed. A disadvantage of hard shell undercoating treatments is that they eventually allow water to enter through cracks or abrasions, and then it's trapped against the metal, with no easy way to inspect for corrosion.

It's really sad to see this problem reoccurring. After the recall, I'd hoped Toyota made some significant improvements to their frame process to address the problem. Guess not.
Obviously you missed the part about frame being two sheet metals sandwiched together. You can spray inside or outside all you want. Its rusting from in between two metals. So unless somebody has some great idea how to submerge frame for couple minutes in something all the spraying and coating only delays things but not realy solve anything. Still will rust if you are in environment that helps speed rusting.
Edit: I also poored por-15 into mine hoping it will protect metal. Well it did not metal is rusting under the por-15.
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Old 12-19-2012, 02:23 PM   #98
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Obviously you missed the part about frame being two sheet metals sandwiched together. You can spray inside or outside all you want. Its rusting from in between two metals. So unless somebody has some great idea how to submerge frame for couple minutes in something all the spraying and coating only delays things but not realy solve anything. Still will rust if you are in environment that helps speed rusting.
Edit: I also poored por-15 into mine hoping it will protect metal. Well it did not metal is rusting under the por-15.
I didn't miss anything. There are two similar "rust" threads going. I posted this in the other one in response to you there, and it addresses your "sandwich" comments.

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As I said, there's enough access to fog the inside of the boxed portions of the frame with Fluid Film or a similar treatment. Fluid Film is also purported to "creep" into areas over time, such as laminated sections of steel. I'd rather the frame was galvanized, but annual application of Fluid Film seems like the best option.

I'd suggest concerned owners use a borescope to inspect the interior of the boxed portions of the frame and any other enclosed space, like the interior of crossmembers and rocker panels. If rust is found, it can at least be stopped from progressing with Fluid Film or another treatment.
Pouring a treatment inside the frame seems like a poor method to address the problem, since it'll only make contact where gravity takes it.
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everyone is angrey at car mfg's.. isnt anyone mad at the govt that is applying tall this corrosive crap all over our roads? thats the real problem. They collect tax on your truck, and then collect agian when your truck rusts out. sounds good dosnt it?
I'd prefer nothing but sand or some other purely mechanical traction aid was used, with no chemicals at all. Snow removal, tire selection, and prudent driving should take care of the rest. I believe that's the way some countries improve driving conditions in the winter.
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I'd prefer nothing but sand or some other purely mechanical traction aid was used, with no chemicals at all. Snow removal, tire selection, and prudent driving should take care of the rest. I believe that's the way some countries improve driving conditions in the winter.
Too many idiots driving way too fast on bald tires and complaining that the road crews do not clean the roads fast enough for them..

OP: Good luck with your truck. I was involved with the original buy back..my 99 taco frame rusted like yours.
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