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Old 12-29-2012, 11:01 AM   #21
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Video summed it up . Raptor or Baja and you'll be happy .
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Old 12-29-2012, 11:06 AM   #22
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FWIW, it seems the Torsen = LSD like the 05 06 series Tacoma.

The headers would not fit but NBD.

Yes, Toyota has it pretty screwed up it seems saying a Baja is more truck for less $ than a TRD OR (tx or whatever it is called these days).

The one thing that could make it better in regards to selling my truck, is if it was not in the dealer for a few cosmetic warranty items on the last day of the year so I could go make a deal if I found the truck I want. assuming this one goes.

Three days in the shop for a 1/2 days worth of work. They probably crunched it and are repairing it without telling me. This service writer is a clown, he should have taken the truck in, ordered parts and gave it back, then call and reschedule when the parts get here. He doesn't answer his phone doesn't call back and says they are waiting on one part to finish it. Maybe by 5pm today.
LSD sounds fine. When you mentioned "locker", I thought you meant a torque sensing, auto locking differential. I've never driven one, but I don't think they sound very good for road use. Having the rear diff lock up abruptly when it wants to could be very exciting.

I'd find another shop. I've seen otherwise good operations ruined by bad management, and I don't bother with them. I'm surprised the shop is open that late on a Saturday, though.
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Looks like you have done some research which is very good. My $8k estimate was the price difference that I paid here in PA for my TRD Sport. My truck cost $30,000 (+/- a couple hundred) whereas they wanted $38-39,000 for a BAJA. But that was only at 1 dealership so the price range could be very different. That being said even with a $5,000 difference you can still do better. This summer I will be spending less than $5,000 on a full Icon Suspension set up (Stage 4 minus Icon UCAs and Total Chaos UCAs instead) and a plate bumper, IFS skid, and sliders.
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:37 PM   #25
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I see Jesse James sporting a black rapter, but he has money to burn....
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Old 12-29-2012, 02:52 PM   #26
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I see Jesse James sporting a black rapter, but he has money to burn....
I was considering a Raptor, but now the choice is clear.
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Old 12-29-2012, 10:12 PM   #27
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I spent a week driving a buddy's Raptor when I was home on leave. I can only offer a few initial impressions, and why I went with a Tacoma in the end.

The Raptor was just too big, and the interior felt ridiculous. Everything about the truck is too "showy" for me, but of course many can appreciate its looks so I won't go on with that.

Power was excellent...GOBS of it, and I never felt like I was digging for a gear, or having trouble passing anyone. My con about it is that I felt disconnected from both the motor, and the road. It was like I pushed the throttle and I heard the motor wind up, but aside from the spedometer climbing I felt little indicating I had any control of the beast I had released. Sounded awesome though!

Suspension: Holy travel batman. It was great. Articulation was phenomenal. I heard a lot of stuff clanging around, but nothing I haven't heard on any other truck with 35's. The BFG's sling rocks everywhere when you're on a gravel road, but no complaints about traction. If you plan on driving this thing all over the U.S. on the freeway, its not the easiest vehicle to keep in a lane. Its not terribly difficult, but it does track worse than most trucks I've driven. To be honest though, if you end up in a ditch, its not scary...its just loads of fun. This thing is unreal on washboard gravel roads too. No tail end jumping, and it feels like butter.

Payload: Dissapointing. The suspension's travel and flex sacrifices a bit of payload, but I'm sure this could be corrected by throwing more money at it in the form of airbags. Really though, if you've got the money for this truck, get a trailer and set the tongue weight low. It will be able to pull nearly anything you put behind it easily.

Electronics: Lots. Why? Because you're paying for them! The blue tooth worked great with my smart phone - REALLY - its a good system. I can't compare Entune to it. The blue tooth also linked up with my friends Ipad, so we could play tunes through that. Neat! I love the auxilary light switches - super robust and I think its great to have stuff pre-wired so you can plug and play. Who WOULDN'T want to be able to leave their aux lighting in the truck and bust it out, bolt it on, and plug it into a harness on the bumper before going wheeling or into the snow. Electronic dampening - Amazing. Loved this system. The stereo system was excellent, and with all of the lights everywhere on the interior I felt like I was driving a spaceship.

I got the Tacoma because its a jack of all trades, and master of none. Its skinny, so offroad it fits on all of the logging trails that I use when I go hunting, without the risk of scraping paint. Decent mileage, and the power is more than acceptable. I can upgrade suspension for a reasonable cost (without sacrificing ride quality like many other makes and models) if I want, and I didn't have to pay a premium on any stuff I didn't want. Granted, it came with a lot less options than something like a Raptor, and its a lot less flashy.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:06 AM   #29
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As nice as the Raptor may be, it's always made me think of this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4QgWRycd7I

Applies to the H1 & H2, as well. I'm not a fan of BIG.
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Old 12-30-2012, 09:20 PM   #30
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Went to a different dealer today. They had pretty close to the truck I am interested in. It had a few more options than I wanted but was damn close. Unfortunately, it was a special order and already sold. They couldn't / wouldn't even get the key to open it so we could see the inside. Oh well.

Most places have the 4 door Supercrewcab model. Trying to find the Supercab, with a door layout like a Tacoma Access cab is tough.

The shorter truck, Supercrewcab vs Supercab is a difference of 12" in wheelbase. The proportions of the truck even look better.

If this truck was available no telling what the outcome could have been. In the end, I got to spend time with a goof ball salesman talking BS about what he sells. He started slamming Tundras, bad move on his part. Made some comments about how the truck wasn't made for work. Commented have you ever seen how small the bed bolts are? And mentioned you can't tow anything with them. I quick witted back and mentioned I had not heard of Tundras having beds fall off, told him I just saw a TV add where a Tundra towed the Space Shuttle, he then mumbled something about them being in NASCAR. I and the wife was turned off by this joker.

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So technically...the tundra didn't "pull" the shuttle. Honda could have strapped a civic to is and the shuttle would have moved
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Old 12-30-2012, 10:00 PM   #32
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If this truck was available no telling what the outcome could have been. In the end, I got to spend time with a goof ball salesman talking BS about what he sells. He started slamming Tundras, bad move on his part. Made some comments about how the truck wasn't made for work. Commented have you ever seen how small the bed bolts are? And mentioned you can't tow anything with them. I quick witted back and mentioned I had not heard of Tundras having beds fall off, told him I just saw a TV add where a Tundra towed the Space Shuttle, he then mumbled something about them being in NASCAR. I and the wife was turned off by this joker.
If nothing else, be glad that you didn't give that guy any money.

My favorite salesdud has to be the guy that accidentally opened a moonroof on my family during a test drive ... in a thunderstorm. I only gave him a second before I slapped his hand out of the way and closed it. No sale that day, either.
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