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Old 01-01-2013, 08:46 PM   #41
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I am in the middle of my first winter with the Tacoma, and I am actually impressed with it.

As far as braking, the ABS is no more sensitive than other vehicles I have owned. I got rid of the OEM tires before winter and got the Michelin LTX M/S2 tires. When it is really slick, I drive slower. The slicker it gets, the slower I drive. The ABS only kicks in at really slick intersections, but I normally slow down ahead of time, to prevent it from kicking in at all.

OP, are you sure that you were only going 15 MPH?

As others have stated, the Rugged Trails are rated pretty poor for snow and ice.

I have not put weight in the back yet, so in 2WD, I still spin a little taking off, but no issues in 4WD.
 
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Bridgestone dmv1 winter tires + weight in back makes a massive difference on ice with my 2010 crew cab trd sport, abs seldom goes off now. Great truck in all winter conditions. Before I couldn't get up my driveway without being in 4x4.
 
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The tires are the OEM 5 ply BF Goodrich o/r w/fairly aggressive tread. Weather was just typical 3" - 4" slush/snow. Vehicle just acted like a sled.
I was in Lancaster County, PA over the Xmas holiday, I had no problem braking on ice/hard-packed snow on a slight downhill. Actually pretty hard braking, caught a light just at the wrong time where I didn't want to accelerate through it.

I was doing about 25-30 mph at the time, no problem at all, no sliding, no lockup, nothing. With the stock Dunlops. If you're in Central PA you know that was a bad storm, so why you're having problems in 3" - 4" of slush/snow I don't know.
 
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i think it has a lot to do with tires and driving habits. where i live it seems like it's winter 8 months a year, i have been driving on snow and ice for the last month and my abs rarely kicks in, you have to drive to the conditions. with saying that, since i put on my duratracs, i don't even need to use 4x4 anymore. when i had my stockers i couldn't even get into my flat driveway if there was a 1" snow drift with out spinning out.
Gotta agree with you. I'm on 35" MTR Kevlars and 2wd(so I can't engine brake safely), and I rarely feel abs kick in. I drive slow and careful and it does ok. And these tires are like hockey pucks on ice.
 
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This is my first winter with my '12 TRD OR and i admit i was suprised at how poorly my truck performs in the snow. I pull forward into my driveway then back into the garage, once i stop the truck to put it in reverse i have to engage the 4WD just to get it moving again. And thats only in 3" - 5" of fresh snow and I have about 300+ lbs of extra weight in the back. Personally i think it is just the stock tires on the truck, with only 20,000kms on them i think i will be running snow tires next year.
Minor point: The truck in your post is a TRD Sport, not a TRD OR so your tires are significantly less aggressive, the suspension is set up different, and you don't have all the traction control options available on a TRD OR. TRD sport has sport tires and is suspension tuned for the road. TRD OR doesn't have color matched mirrors, a hood scoop, color matched rear bumper, or 18" alloys. Throw some better tires on her and you'll have better luck in the snow.
 
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Maybe the automatic trans has something to do with it, it keeps on pushing the back wheels even if ABS is trying to engage???

With the manual trans when braking on ice/snow I slam the clutch in fast and go to neutral. If I'm driving an auto trans I do the same, pop it into neutral fast when I go into a hard stop on ice/snow.
 
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I noticed this yesterday when I took mine to play in the snow. Testing the brakes it took longer than I expected for it to stop due to the slipping of the abs. or maybe it was the tires(ill hope)

Here's a kinda on/off topic question. Ive noticed this twice since washing it. afterwards there is alot of slipping in the brakes. Im hoping this is just because im getting the disc and pads wet with the hose and wont be a problem in wet weather driving??
 
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sounds like ABS braking.. ABS ,and traction control suck in the snow. Turn em off and roll in 4h.
Okay, exactly how does one just turn off the ABS system? Would be nice to know in case ever needed.

Personally, I usually just slow down and brake gently on snow or similar. Not hard to do since that's what I did for many years before ABS.
 
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Okay, exactly how does one just turn off the ABS system? Would be nice to know in case ever needed.

Personally, I usually just slow down and brake gently on snow or similar. Not hard to do since that's what I did for many years before ABS.
It would be nice to ease into the brakes without the ABS kicking in

You can't turn off ABS without adding a bypass switch set up
 
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It would be nice to ease into the brakes without the ABS kicking in

You can't turn off ABS without adding a bypass switch set up
I haven't felt the ABS kicking in while braking gently. Of course, I've only had one afternoon early last year (on a trip to Kentucky - only time driven it snow) to really test it. On the few occasions when the brakes locked up (not sure that was ABS or just slippery road), I simply let off and reapplied again. I got through it all just fine.
 
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It's a common thing with the newer trucks.

Toyota has really dropped the ball on multiple vehicles as of late.
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My friend has Rugged Trails on his TRD, and after driving each other's trucks, I think the Dunlops on my SR5 are even better. Unbelievably low traction with the RT's!

I'd bet thats the problem you're having.
 
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I haven't felt the ABS kicking in while braking gently. Of course, I've only had one afternoon early last year (on a trip to Kentucky - only time driven it snow) to really test it. On the few occasions when the brakes locked up (not sure that was ABS or just slippery road), I simply let off and reapplied again. I got through it all just fine.
That's exactly my issue with it , you can't use the old method of braking with it , easing into it doesn't mean it won't engage

My first instinct when I feel a lock up is to let off the brake and ease back onto it , like in non ABS vehicles
 
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The tires are the OEM 5 ply BF Goodrich o/r w/fairly aggressive tread. Weather was just typical 3" - 4" slush/snow. Vehicle just acted like a sled.
I would say that's where your problem lies. I'd switch to a michelin ltx m/s2 (I have experience with them, very good all around pavement only tire that's very good on wet pavement and seems to handle light slush/snow well) or the Goodyear Duratrac if you want something serious.
 
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Have a 2012 Tacoma TRD O/R and went to apply brakes going down a snowy hill about 15 mph, felt as if brake pedal hit a wall, truck just kept going faster and faster had to steer into snow bank to stop, thought that was scary, 1 minute later same thing and had to exit up a side road to stop. Is it the tires, ABS or truck weight or what!?
Welcome to TW!

You might want to read some of Blueridge's recent thread. Much of what might be discussed here was already discussed there.

If you see a lot of snow, you may want some different tires. BFG Rugged Trail tires aren't the best, regardless of any ABS issues.
 
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Late breaking news:

Snow and Ice are slippery.

 
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I have a steep, icy, gravel driveway, leading down to a steep, icy, gravel lane. I just go down in 1st gear, four wheel drive and ignore the brake...haven't slid yet. Studded snows and no weight. '11 access cab, 6 speed.
 
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My '09 DC had the Rugged Trails, and they were horrible in every condition but dry pavement. My '12 DC came with the smaller Dunlops, and they were only slightly better. I just put on for snows (265/75 Winterforce) and in 2WD it is so much better than it was in 4WD with the OEM tires. In 4WD it is amazing. It was $500 that won't go towards other mods, but they will last years if I only use them in the winter.
 
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The ABS only works if there is a difference in wheel speed it has been on German cars since the early 80's and air craft since the 40’s if you find the ABS too sensitive it's time to reevaluate, you’re driving habits, conditions, tires, and speed. A wheel that is sliding has no traction. ABS is designed more for steering control then getting you stopped sooner. I agree the stock tires are worthless in slick weather that's why I use snow tires in the winter real snow tires.
 
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