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Old 02-13-2013, 02:51 AM   #1
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Canopies side effects?

So I've been on market for a Leer Canopy for quite sometime now. Looking to buy used but may go with brand new. With the Cap installed will my truck squat or no change in ride height in the rear? I know these leaf spring are weak as is. Will the leaf springs weaken over time as I plan to leave the cap on for the rest of the life of the truck? Will I see decrease of increase in MPG's? Lastly, am I better off buying a 4runner?
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4th Toyota truck & all have had shells.
Won't effect MPGs, will lower rear (try to get a TSB leaf pack from someone upgrading).
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More weight=less MPG, you can remove a cap, your springs are pushing 10yrs old(it won't hurt them), and put weight=to cap and see how much it squats(it will a little).

Research your purchase well. There are many options out there. I was amazed at the options and accessories out there for the ARE caps. My wallet picked the base model, though. I have no opinion on the Leer, never had/saw one.
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I've had two Leers on different trucks. Never had an issue with either of them. The rear end will sit slightly lower but not much. The cabs don't weight that much. I've put them on myself on a full sized truck. You may have a slight decrease in MPG but not much. Probably 1mpg less.

Why ask about a 4Runner? If you want a truck, keep what you have and put a cab on it. If you want an SUV, sell your truck. I personally go for the truck.
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4th Toyota truck & all have had shells.
Won't effect MPGs, will lower rear (try to get a TSB leaf pack from someone upgrading).
If I can't find someone selling the 4 leaf TSB pack is there any other options?
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If I can't find someone selling the 4 leaf TSB pack is there any other options?
Ever consider lifting it?
Your suspension is getting old and a good lift will replace it.
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[QUOTE=4Wheelin4Banger;6432781]Ever consider lifting it?
Your suspension is getting old and a good lift will replace it.

Yeah I've thought about it and if I did I'd probably go with a very mild lift. Something like a set of Bilstein 5100's front set at 0 with the Eibach 1.6" springs not sure what to do with the rear definitely not blocks.
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If I can't find someone selling the 4 leaf TSB pack is there any other options?
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Does it have to be a hard top? I have a bestop and love it.
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I have a mid-rise cap and saw a slight decrease in MPG in the city but actually do better on MPG's with the cap on the highway. The 2nd Gen leaf springs suck, the cap will squat them even with the TSB leaf springs. I would look into beefing up the suspension if you plan on going with a hard shell (and I would not consider buying a TSB leaf pack off someone beefing up, they are still a weak leaf spring in my opinion).
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If I can't find someone selling the 4 leaf TSB pack is there any other options?
Put a Firestone Ride-Rite air spring kit on it. I did that to my 2006 DC and it made a world of difference. Firestone has a no drill kit, took me about 90 minutes for both sides.

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Get a aal for the extra weight. The canopy will give you better traction on snow, help with axle wrap issues, lower your chances of ever having your tailgate stolen, keep your gear dry and safe, give more grip on wet surfaces, and help with vibration issues.
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Get a aal for the extra weight. The canopy will give you better traction on snow, help with axle wrap issues, lower your chances of ever having your tailgate stolen, keep your gear dry and safe, give more grip on wet surfaces, and help with vibration issues.
I gotta ask, how does a shell help with axle wrap? If anything, it makes it worse because of the extra weight, it forces the springs to twist more because every time you accelerate, you're trying to move more weight. The AAL will help counter axle wrap but I believe the addition of a shell would have the opposite effect.
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OP I highly recommend analyzing exactly what it is you envision using the cap for in the future. If you are going to be wanting to haul loads on top then you may want to look into a commercial-grade cap that can haul more. The comcl caps are heavier than standard plus any extra top load weight should also factor into your decision on rear leaf upgrades. I have the Leer 100RCC which is a heavy cap and I also have the TSB rear springs. After about a year with this setup (plus occasional heavy top loads), the springs have squatted about 3/4" and I now have a slight reverse-rake (5100's at 1.75 up front). I'm looking into the springs that OZ suggested to get my ass back up where it belongs.

Also, since you are planning on leaving the cap on for good, I'd really suggest going for one with a removable front window so you can clean between it and the cab without having to unbolt and move the shell.

On the MPG side, I may have lost a bit due to the extra weight, but it wasn't enough to be really noticeable. As to the 4-Runner question, I figure if you want a mom-rocket then buy one, but if you want a truck then stay with what you've got. Would you really want to huck cinderblocks, camping firewood or a full gas can in the back of a 4-Runner?
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Get a aal for the extra weight. The canopy will give you better traction on snow, help with axle wrap issues, lower your chances of ever having your tailgate stolen, keep your gear dry and safe, give more grip on wet surfaces, and help with vibration issues.
You can steal the tailgate just as easy unless you have a Pop n Lock
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I gotta ask, how does a shell help with axle wrap? If anything, it makes it worse because of the extra weight, it forces the springs to twist more because every time you accelerate, you're trying to move more weight. The AAL will help counter axle wrap but I believe the addition of a shell would have the opposite effect.
Thats been my experience... others may vary.


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You can steal the tailgate just as easy unless you have a Pop n Lock
How can stealing a tailgate be just as easy when you have a shell back window locked over the top of the tailgate? Seems to me it would at least slow them down or go to a easier truck to rip off. I do agree it's still possible though... that's why i did the tailgate theft mods.
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On my 01, I was a big jump in mpg. I was always city highway driving but it seems like the cap helped on the highway alot. I averaged about 18.5 overall, and 22 on the highway with a 3.4. It was about 1 mpg better overall and 2 on the highway. People say the mythbusters experiment stated that caps decrease mpg. If you watch the video they were testing it on ford long bed trucks with 8 ft beds. I highly doubt that my 5 ft bed experiences the same aerodynamics than the trucks they tested. My .02. Definitely is more weight back there, but it is rare that I don't have an excessive amount of tools and gear with me to really effect my truck weight wise.
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I have a Raider Vagabond Elite and I'm not sure what it weighs, but I doubt it could be any more than 200lbs. I don't really notice any difference in MPG's around town, but having the canopy on actually gives me better mileage on the ighway.
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I gotta ask, how does a shell help with axle wrap? If anything, it makes it worse because of the extra weight, it forces the springs to twist more because every time you accelerate, you're trying to move more weight. The AAL will help counter axle wrap but I believe the addition of a shell would have the opposite effect.
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Thats been my experience... others may vary.
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For what it's worth.. My 13 has a terrible vibe from 15-25 mph when I got it.. Once I put on my cap the vibes went away by 50%. I'm not sure if it's axle wrap.. But it helped with the vibes for whatever reason. My thoughts were the added weight reduced the rake causing less of an angle in the drivetrain.
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