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Old 03-22-2013, 05:50 AM   #21
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Look I just read all the stupid reasons that posters thought what was happening, OR NOT HAPPENING, to the plastic parts; see this recent thread:
http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/2nd...w-mirrors.html

It is the sun, it probably is the reflection off glass, but let all other reasons go. This guy lives in Vegas my car was either in SoCal or Waco TX, all 3 places hotter than hell with lots of sun...............................
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if it is reflection off glass... perhaps try backing in to your parking spot rather than nose in.. or vise versa
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if it is reflection off glass... perhaps try backing in to your parking spot rather than nose in.. or vise versa
Give me a break, "I can't park my Tacoma in the sun or it will melt, sorry my pussy truck needs parking TLC"
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Hilarious.. every time someone has this problem (3-4 people now?!?) everyone jumps in and goes, "Damn! that guy with a blowtorch is back.. don't believe me? You just don't know what people are capable of!" lol

blowtorch bandit strikes again.. hahahaha

in all seriousness, you guys need to PM each other and report your issues to Toyota. Regardless of energy efficient windows and malicious youths with propane.. something is clearly wrong with their injection molding process at a supplier level and they need to be made aware of it for their own good, for your own good, and for all other people who have trucks from that part supplier.
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Hilarious.. every time someone has this problem (3-4 people now?!?) everyone jumps in and goes, "Damn! that guy with a blowtorch is back.. don't believe me? You just don't know what people are capable of!" lol

blowtorch bandit strikes again.. hahahaha

in all seriousness, you guys need to PM each other and report your issues to Toyota. Regardless of energy efficient windows and malicious youths with propane.. something is clearly wrong with their injection molding process at a supplier level and they need to be made aware of it for their own good, for your own good, and for all other people who have trucks from that part supplier.
No Way! I believe there is some deranged Sherlock Holmes character running around with a magnifying glass. Obviously has a vendetta against Tacomas. < this is much more believable than a cross country blow torch hooligan.
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Its from energy efficient wondows or reflection off of chrome semi trailers etc.

Its not just Toyotas.
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Hilarious.. every time someone has this problem (3-4 people now?!?) everyone jumps in and goes, "Damn! that guy with a blowtorch is back.. don't believe me? You just don't know what people are capable of!" lol

blowtorch bandit strikes again.. hahahaha

in all seriousness, you guys need to PM each other and report your issues to Toyota. Regardless of energy efficient windows and malicious youths with propane.. something is clearly wrong with their injection molding process at a supplier level and they need to be made aware of it for their own good, for your own good, and for all other people who have trucks from that part supplier.
lol. hardly.
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Similar issues in New England, as seen on Boston News last year

"Melting cars, homes tied to energy-efficient windows",
.............Homeowners across Massachusetts dealing with problem

Quoted from above:
"Windows called low-e glass or low-emittance are energy efficient and even required by some building codes.
But they can also warp inward and act like a magnifying glass, concentrating too much heat on nearby homes and vehicles.
Itís nobodyís fault, but homeowners all over the state are dealing with the problem."



Google Search Results for "high efficiency glass melts siding"

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Must be why Oz can't get heated mirrors.
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I'm going to Toyota dealership Saturday and raising hell. Had it for 3 months.

Just a little bit of advice, doing this will usually get you nowhere fast.

When I worked at the dealership, people that had issues like this, but were cool about it- I would jump through hoops to help them.

People that came in "raising hell" to dealership employees that obviously had nothing to do with the manufacturing process of the ABS plastic in the mirrors- always got put on the back burner.

Just my .02 though.
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Give me a break, "I can't park my Tacoma in the sun or it will melt, sorry my pussy truck needs parking TLC"
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Hilarious.. every time someone has this problem (3-4 people now?!?) everyone jumps in and goes, "Damn! that guy with a blowtorch is back.. don't believe me? You just don't know what people are capable of!" lol

blowtorch bandit strikes again.. hahahaha

in all seriousness, you guys need to PM each other and report your issues to Toyota. Regardless of energy efficient windows and malicious youths with propane.. something is clearly wrong with their injection molding process at a supplier level and they need to be made aware of it for their own good, for your own good, and for all other people who have trucks from that part supplier.
As has been shown in various posts;

1.) It is not a Toyota Problem.
2.) It is not an ABS Plastic problem.
3.) It affects all makes of vehicles and houses and ...
4.) It is a problem caused by the Low E windows acting like a magnifying glass on the plastic.

It would be like parking right up close to a huge fire, then complaining to Toyota because the plastic melted.

Your claims of Toyota using cheap ABS Plastic is totally unfounded.
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Old 03-22-2013, 05:38 PM   #32
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As has been shown in various posts;

1.) It is not a Toyota Problem.
2.) It is not an ABS Plastic problem.
3.) It affects all makes of vehicles and houses and ...
4.) It is a problem caused by the Low E windows acting like a magnifying glass on the plastic.

It would be like parking right up close to a huge fire, then complaining to Toyota because the plastic melted.

Your claims of Toyota using cheap ABS Plastic is totally unfounded.
Add Jimmyh to the list of poster that are guessing, here are a few of his other comments on the subject:

#1
"The sun did not do that.

Neither Southern California or Waco Texas get up over 212 Degrees F even in the worst summer sun. That was exposed to something very hot. Notice it didn't melt all over, mainly in one area. It looks like someone used a propane torch on it.

I have never seen any ABS Plastic melt in that way from the sun"

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I agree. The ABS Plastic doesn't reach the Glass Transition Stage until it gets to ~ 105 degrees C or 212 Degrees F. There would be other damage to the vehicle if the reflection from a window were causing it. That mirror looks burned like a torch or some other concentrated heat source was applied just to that area of the mirror.

Gotta throw the old "Bull Shit Flag" on this story.

#3
Is there any damage in the area besides the mirror? At 212 degrees on the mirror to cause this as if from a reflection there would almost certainly be some paint damage etc somewhere in the vicinity. It appears to be concentrated in just that area.

See my point?

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Toyota uses the same ABS Thermoplastic that all mfgs use. No one on this ( or any other forum) has a crystal ball to tell you what happened to your mirror housings. We do not have enough information.

What we do know is:
1. Your mirror housing(s) got burned. Seems concentrated in one area.
2. ABS Plastic reaches glass transition at 212 F.
3. The sun doesn't get this hot on its own ( unless through a magnifying glass etc...)
4. If this was a common phenomenon it would be all over this forum ( and all other Toyota forums) in spades.

jimmyh, you are no expert, don't post like one, show some proof quit guessing and maybe I will change my mind.

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Add Jimmyh to the list of poster that are guessing, here are a few of his other comments on the subject:

#1
"The sun did not do that.

Neither Southern California or Waco Texas get up over 212 Degrees F even in the worst summer sun. That was exposed to something very hot. Notice it didn't melt all over, mainly in one area. It looks like someone used a propane torch on it.

I have never seen any ABS Plastic melt in that way from the sun"

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I agree. The ABS Plastic doesn't reach the Glass Transition Stage until it gets to ~ 105 degrees C or 212 Degrees F. There would be other damage to the vehicle if the reflection from a window were causing it. That mirror looks burned like a torch or some other concentrated heat source was applied just to that area of the mirror.

Gotta throw the old "Bull Shit Flag" on this story.

#3
Is there any damage in the area besides the mirror? At 212 degrees on the mirror to cause this as if from a reflection there would almost certainly be some paint damage etc somewhere in the vicinity. It appears to be concentrated in just that area.

See my point?

#4
Toyota uses the same ABS Thermoplastic that all mfgs use. No one on this ( or any other forum) has a crystal ball to tell you what happened to your mirror housings. We do not have enough information.

What we do know is:
1. Your mirror housing(s) got burned. Seems concentrated in one area.
2. ABS Plastic reaches glass transition at 212 F.
3. The sun doesn't get this hot on its own ( unless through a magnifying glass etc...)
4. If this was a common phenomenon it would be all over this forum ( and all other Toyota forums) in spades.

jimmyh, you are no expert, don't post like one, show some proof quit guessing and maybe I will change my mind.

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So you think the torch bandit got him???
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xguntherc & I have been talking about this in the Vegas thread, something similar happened to me last July. My truck was parked in a loading dock all day while I was at work. No windows, just white walls all over the place. No idea how this happened. I just assumed vandalism, but it literally looks like a blow torch mark. It wasn't like that during the day, noticed it at 4am when I left work.
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Just a little bit of advice, doing this will usually get you nowhere fast.

When I worked at the dealership, people that had issues like this, but were cool about it- I would jump through hoops to help them.

People that came in "raising hell" to dealership employees that obviously had nothing to do with the manufacturing process of the ABS plastic in the mirrors- always got put on the back burner.

Just my .02 though.

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Ok I was joking about raising hell at the dealership. I'll be extremely nice and hope they are helpful and can address my problem. I'm not a hotheat. I'm just angry I'm dealing with this on my Tacoma that's 3 months old.

My Chevy Colorado before it parked in the EXACT same spot throughout the entire summer reaching over 105-110 degree's daily here in Vegas, yet had ZERO issues. So while all ABS plastic might be similar, this is obviously a problem Toyota needs to address.

Oh and another thing, there's a huge tree blocking any window reflections where I park, but it is under a metal carport that could somehow be reflecting the sun and heat, but again my Colorado handled it no problem. that junker of a truck.

I've decided this is either a heat issue with the sun, or a chemical in my local car wash. And for the guy saying this is a concentrated problem, the same thing is happening on my grill. So that's two spots.
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jimmyh, you are no expert, don't post like one, show some proof quit guessing and maybe I will change my mind.

Desmo
It isn't my job to change your mind. I think that it is an issue, it just isn't an issue with the ABS Plastic. It is those Low E windows and concentrated energy.

My truck isn't melting. and it is always in the sun...

Never claimed to be an expert, however I do speak with facts. I am no more guessing than you are. Try reading for a change:

http://chevroletforum.com/forum/silv...mirrors-36556/

http://www.kia-forums.com/kia-carniv...r-melting.html

http://www.wcvb.com/news/investigati...z/-/index.html

http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/lifestyle/yo...s1316609369318

http://inhabitat.com/are-low-e-windo...ighbors-house/

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/...-toyota-prius/

http://jennstrathman.com/2011/09/20/...ting-on-homes/

http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/archives/31628
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I agree. The ABS Plastic doesn't reach the Glass Transition Stage until it gets to ~ 105 degrees C or 212 Degrees F. There would be other damage to the vehicle if the reflection from a window were causing it. That mirror looks burned like a torch or some other concentrated heat source was applied just to that area of the mirror.
you should see what 900* does to it.
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[QUOTE=Jimmyh;6633426]It isn't my job to change your mind. I think that it is an issue, it just isn't an issue with the ABS Plastic. It is those Low E windows and concentrated energy.

My truck isn't melting. and it is always in the sun...

Never claimed to be an expert, however I do speak with facts. I am no more guessing than you are. Try reading for a change:

http://chevroletforum.com/forum/silv...mirrors-36556/

http://www.kia-forums.com/kia-carniv...r-melting.html

http://www.wcvb.com/news/investigati...z/-/index.html

http://www.wcpo.com/dpp/lifestyle/yo...s1316609369318

http://inhabitat.com/are-low-e-windo...ighbors-house/

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/...-toyota-prius/

http://jennstrathman.com/2011/09/20/...ting-on-homes/

http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/...628[/QUOTE]

It's easy to revise your statements after you look like a fool, a lot harder to admit you were wrong in the first place and you have proven that. Nice try.
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It is those Low E windows and concentrated energy.

Jimmy is right.

Mark, what's up with getting in Jimmy's face on this???

You suffered the same problem, so you should know what the cause is from your own thread on this.
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