Better Gas Mileage

[piercedtiger]

Originally Posted by 007Tacoma

to say nothing of the weight increase.

Exactly! I'm not saying real-world is the same, but I find it hard to believe a larger, heavier, more powerful truck is rated by the manufacturer to get damn near the same mileage as our smaller, lighter, less powerful ones.

[mitiko]

Could be better but the prise is arround $300 .
Anybody know where IS selled in CA.

[piercedtiger]

Originally Posted by mitiko

Could be better but the prise is arround $300 .
Anybody know where IS selled in CA.

If you're talking about the Eco Systems thing, it's not "sold" anywhere anymore AFAIK since the company went under. Or at least the website no longer exists. Assuming false advertising lawsuits or something similar shut them down.

[09tacoma]

it seems to have moved here it is now http://www.etieco.com/ what is the verdict

[mitiko]

Hi I would like to know if is better to use one scan millage for haver more mpg anybody have one. thanks

[Urb]

Originally Posted by HardCase

I don't believe for a nanosecond that a Tundra with a V-8 gets the same mileage as a Taco with a V-6. No way. People tend to exaggerate their mileage all the time, I can't tell you the number of times that guys with a Suburban or a F250 with a Triton V-10 will tell me that they get "about 18" for mileage. Bullshit. If you put a Taco side-by-side with a big Tundra and drove them both the same speed and distance, the Taco will use less gas.

If you're driving an internal combustion engine that is relatively modern and reasonably efficient and in good condition, it becomes pretty much a matter of physics. Vehicle size, weight, aerodynamics, tire pressure, gear-ratios to some extent, speed, weather conditions and probably a couple of others that I'm not thinking about right now all combine to determine mileage. There is a certain amount of energy contained in a gallon of fuel, and it takes X BTUs to move a given object (the car or truck) from point A to point B, the number X being affected by the variables listed.

I also do not believe that tossing some tablet into the gas-tank is going to increase mileage any more than painting your face blue and doing some Celtic dance around the vehicle before you drive it is going to do so.

My dad has a 06' GMC Yukon. He always goes by the electronic reading that GM has conveniently integrated into the dash readout. I have never seen this number change more than 1mpg. I drove the thing one summer over a 200 mile round trip tracking the mileage by what I put in the tank and I came up with 15/16mpg cruising at 60mph on a 2 lane flat highway. He didn’t want to listen to me when I told him the actual mileage he was getting. It is really funny when he comes to Phoenix to visit during the winter months (snowbirds). The first thing he complains about is the ethanol here added to reduce CO emissions. His mileage here is down near the 14/15mpg yet the reading on the dash says 19mpg. Haaaa! Is it any wonder GM, Ford and Chrysler are bleeding $$$. I owned GM all my life until 06’ when I purchased a Highlander Hybrid which gets 27 consistently average City/Highway and has more HP than my Tacoma at 270. I purchased my Taco in May of 07’ to replace my Chevy truck. My Chevy was much more heavy duty but but in the long run I am quite pleased with my mileage. I consistently get 18mpg in town with AC running 9months of the year. The 2 road trips I took were better than I expected at 20.5/21.5mpg.

[paintdiddy]

Originally Posted by tcBob

First time I've heard of this: http://www.ecosystemsupport.com/

So has your uncle seen any of the promised improvements, or is it too early to tell?

what happened to the site? its for sale/auction?

[Urb]

Originally Posted by WilsonTheDog

But therein lies the problem. In order to produce enough corn ethanol for our needs, we'd have to starve. Switchgrass is a much better alternative and you barely hear it mentioned. You also don't hear anything in the new energy bill, which is a bunch of liberal nonsense designed to appeal to the treehuggers, about advancing our economy. Looking at the energy bill, it seems they want our economy to stagnate while they go after ridiculous "solutions" like corn ethanol while we ignore the huge oil deposits in ANWR or the Gulf. The energy bill talks about ethanol from switchgrass or wood chips which makes no sense since the tech doesn't exist for it right now.

Bottom line, we need to get off of foreign oil, no question. But let's come up with real solutions, not feelgood treehugger timewasting "solutions". Maybe if more people got away from the moronic idea that the oil companies are "bad" then we'd be much better off. There's nothing wrong with oil as an energy source, anyway. Buying it from terrorists is a problem, though.

There is no solution for replacing foreign oil with domestic oil. Read these links and then make some comments.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.htm
http://www.eia.doe.gov/basics/quickoil.html

If we hit the best possible scenario with ANWR we would have maybe 2.7 years of oil at the current rate of consumption of 20Million BPD. This will have no impact for 8-10years minimum. Anybody wonder why the Oil companies won't be jumping on the offshore drilling that has been opened up with the new energy bill. The answer is that the cost outweighs the current price per barrel at over $100. There is a clear and plain reason why so much land is leased and never drilled. It comes down to $$$. The oil companies sit on these expensive prospects until the time comes when we haven't weaned ourselves off oil and the Middle East is dry. Sorry to break the news but the real solution is hydrogen fuel cells merged with 40% or better efficiency solar panels and electric motors which average better than 80% efficiency and have reliability that far exceeds the internal combustion engine. Anyone wonder why freight trains and open pit mining trucks run off petroleum generated electric motors (efficiency). Not to mention the fact that no transmission in the world would work hauling these kinds of loads. The advantages don’t stop there. They have a stall torque of 5-10 RPM and generate much more HP per unit of energy than any ICE ever will. There is a virtually limitless supply of H2 on the planet that just needs some intelligent thought and innovation to put to use. If you support Drill baby Drill then you might as well drill a hole in your head because this solution uses no logic or intelligent thought.

[m3dragon]

Originally Posted by paintdiddy

what happened to the site? its for sale/auction?

I found no increase with the VPE installed. I actual went down in MPG with it installed. The only conclusions I could figure out why was i installed it on a truck with 900 miles on it and a CAI. I now have 20K and was thinking about installing it again and see what happens.

[borderbrat]

Originally Posted by 007Tacoma

to say nothing of the weight increase.

A little OT but what pressure do you run in your tires?

[007Tacoma]

38psi all around. It seems to be the closest to keeping the Destination A/Ts flat on the road and still give decent MPG.

[M2M]

[quote=Urb;210429]There is no solution for replacing foreign oil with domestic oil. Read these links and then make some comments.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.htm
http://www.eia.doe.gov/basics/quickoil.html


natural gas

[Johnny_knox69]

SO Does IT Work or not?

Reduce weight Get better GAS mileage.

Run smaller tires yes better gas mileage.

Run max tire pressure yes better gas

stay off your foot yes

keep air filter clean yes especially if it is dirty

get a skinnier girlfriend YES

Let off the gas pedal when you see the RED light and Such

WHAT ELSE BOYS/GIRLS.......................

[007Tacoma]

Originally Posted by Johnny_knox69

SO Does IT Work or not?

Reduce weight Get better GAS mileage.

Run smaller tires yes better gas mileage.

Run max tire pressure yes better gas

stay off your foot yes

keep air filter clean yes especially if it is dirty

get a skinnier girlfriend YES

Let off the gas pedal when you see the RED light and Such

WHAT ELSE BOYS/GIRLS.......................

Walk - the human body is much more efficient in the long run.

[Johnny_knox69]

There is more then enough oil to run the world for ~100years. Even with an increase from countries like Asia and India...................

The price dictates ever thing..........Not Bush or anyone else. Oil is cheap even at 100$ barrel. Smarter ways to use it will have to happen. We are wasteful as humans. No one but High prices will stop that.

World consumption is around 84 Billion barrels a day. Supply is ~82-84 BPD...............

We get oil from other countries because it is cheaper, Water operted cars, elect cars all work but not quite practical yet.........I wish they were.....

The CURE FOR HIGHER prices is.............................Higher prices!

I work around the world in Oil, own shares in Canda oil company and LOVE IT. Ask me questions if you like.

Originally Posted by Urb

There is no solution for replacing foreign oil with domestic oil. Read these links and then make some comments.

http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/fs-0028-01/fs-0028-01.htm
http://www.eia.doe.gov/basics/quickoil.html

If we hit the best possible scenario with ANWR we would have maybe 2.7 years of oil at the current rate of consumption of 20Million BPD. This will have no impact for 8-10years minimum. Anybody wonder why the Oil companies won't be jumping on the offshore drilling that has been opened up with the new energy bill. The answer is that the cost outweighs the current price per barrel at over $100. There is a clear and plain reason why so much land is leased and never drilled. It comes down to $$$. The oil companies sit on these expensive prospects until the time comes when we haven't weaned ourselves off oil and the Middle East is dry. Sorry to break the news but the real solution is hydrogen fuel cells merged with 40% or better efficiency solar panels and electric motors which average better than 80% efficiency and have reliability that far exceeds the internal combustion engine. Anyone wonder why freight trains and open pit mining trucks run off petroleum generated electric motors (efficiency). Not to mention the fact that no transmission in the world would work hauling these kinds of loads. The advantages don’t stop there. They have a stall torque of 5-10 RPM and generate much more HP per unit of energy than any ICE ever will. There is a virtually limitless supply of H2 on the planet that just needs some intelligent thought and innovation to put to use. If you support Drill baby Drill then you might as well drill a hole in your head because this solution uses no logic or intelligent thought.

[notbrigum]

Cat converters are working on the byproducts of completely burned fuel, not unburned fuel.

[notbrigum]

Originally Posted by T-Will

I've been following this thread for some time now and just decided to join so I could respond.
Speedemon, there are many more of us out here that do appreciate what you are saying and would like very much for you to continue to respond.
I'm 43 now but when I was 21 I purchased a "platinum gas saver". It supposedly injected a small amout of platinum into a vacuum line. Bottom line this was to give you a 5% to 10% increase in fuel mileage. I spent $70 and it didn't work. I wish I had the internet back then so people like Speedemon could at least warn me of the high probability that these type of products are bogus.
Here is how I know this product is bogus. If it really worked it would be worth not millions but billions. Imagine every gas and diesel motor in the world saving the claimed amount of fuel by this product. It's huge. Automakers would stand in line to buy this to help with the fuel mileage requirements by the government.
Given this product is worth so much it wouldn't be out in the field being tested under horribly imprecise methods it would be in an independent lab under highly controlled verifiable conditions.

I couldn't agree more. This product would be in every care. None of 'these products' are though. Why not? Real world test?.. too many variables, not double blind. I've read about 65% of this thread, started at the beginning, can't wait to see how it ends!

[notbrigum]

Originally Posted by 007Tacoma

Short answer: Yes.

Check this out... http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/per...t-results.html

I've just read the whole thing and the 8 pages of results and I would dissagress, there were no (significant) provable increases in fuel economy that were caused by this device. Was there and increase, YES. Was is significant (open to interpretation but..) NO. More importantly, was it directly caused by this device, UNKNOWN. It is an intersting read (LONG read) but doesn't prove anything. Is there any harm in it, probably not. Will it do as it claims, maybe. There are too many factors that can't be controlled in the manner it was tested. Was it a good experiment, yeah and thanks to those who spent time trying to keep it organized. Should you buy it, make your own decision. Many of the 'mods' we make are purely to satisfy our desire to tinker. $450 for a TRD exhaust and $350 for a TRD intake for what, a proven 1-2+ mgp? Is that worth it? Not on a cost benifit level as the time it takes to recoup the cost is too long, but does it sound cool? Yeah!
Speedman was right about there not being a lot of hard science on this thing. The jury is still out. Drive easier, get the same results. buy it if you like to tinker. I doubt it hurts and it might help.

[Jester182]

^^ couldn't agree more. The efficiencies of our cars are pretty much what they are. The only way to really save gas have been mentioned already (ie tires, light foot, etc) If someone really wanted to improve gas mileage, maybe someone could try a gas turbine mod! :P

[WilsonTheDog]

^Or buy another vehicle. There's nothing wrong with trying to get the best MPG you can out of a vehicle but in the end it's a truck and the MPG ratings are right there on the window sticker. You know what you're getting into from first glance.