Better Gas Mileage

[Manofs]

ok guys, i left a thread on here a couple day ago. my uncle just bought a 2007 toyota tacoma 4.0L. the dealership offered him this "thing" that would improve his gas mileage and hp. well he got it installed and got the name its called ECO system support. been looking online and reading up on it, and havent really found anything. have any of you all heard of this, what do you all think???

[tcBob]

First time I've heard of this: http://www.ecosystemsupport.com/

With the Eco-System installed your vehicle will be a cleaner running lower emissions vehicle. You will reduce the amount of emissions from the exhaust and at the same time you will improve your vehicles fuel efficiency.

So has your uncle seen any of the promised improvements, or is it too early to tell?

[Manofs]

too early to tell, the only thing is he bought it and got it installed the next day so, he has nothing to compare it with. i am keep track of all my gas info and going to compare with him

[lineberw]

Hey, please hit all of us back and let us know your uncle's opinion/data on this product. It has a money back guarantee and the dealer was trying to sell it so must be reputable. Just my thoughts! Hell I'll buy one just to not pollute the environment. If I can increase my fuel economy even by 5% it would be worth it because my 4.0L 2007 Tacoma eats gas. I still love her though!!!
Thanks,
Wes

[brant_trd]

Lowering exhaust emissions, sounds restrictive to me, might be quieter. I don't know about you, but I like my exhaust just how it is, now. It sounds good.
But, saving fuel does sound better.

[maverick491]

So I just spend 45 minutes going through the website for this device, and overall it seems impressive. I'd be interested to hear something of the real world numbers from your uncle Manofs.

Brant_trd, it is not doing anything to restrict your exhaust or change it's tone, it is actually installing in-line in your fuel line and apparently difuses the fuel into a mist as it makes it's way into the injectors.

Supposedly promoting a cleaner and more complete burn. The mist of fuel provides more surface area and therefor can burn faster and more completely in the same amount of time. Think of it like this if you take a log and throw it in your campfire it take a while for it to ignite and it burns for quite a while. Now take a fist full of sawdust and throw that in your campfire, The sawdust is going to go up like flash paper. I believe that is the theory behind this product as near as I can tell.

If it can really do what they claim, which is a minimum of 10% increase in MPG (V6 taco getting 20mpg hwy is looking to see 22mpg, you 2.7 guys should do even better), and if you dig a little further into the site the dynoed a bone stock harley Ultra Classic before and after installing this and showed a 2-3 rear wheel horse and 4 lb/ft torque increase. And supposedly it does all this while improving your emissions so you can sell the idea to your significant others as you bought another thing for your truck to help the environment.

I'll try to dig a little deeper into this and keep everyone posted.

[Rich Swanner]

I wonder what dealership has this and if it works why isn't it on all Toyota products? A ten per cent rise in MPG is a HUGE selling point. I have not heard or been offered this and I have just bought a new Prerunner V6. If this is not Toyota certified it can void the warranty. I cannot see Toyota with their wanting to increase MPG , to sell every extra they can, and to make the EPA happy not mentioning this?

[dirthawker1313]

those are actual news reports from here in vegas on there websight..it must work to some extent

[Manofs]

i totally understand what your sayin Rich, the thing is i got my tacoma about a month ago, and it was offered. my uncle bought his a couple days ago and they are now just offering it. he told me that they just got it in......that is all i know, i think i am going to call my toyota dealership and find out more.

[Rich Swanner]

Well keep us posted .I am always interested in better MPG!

[007Tacoma]

Sorry for the long hiatus - vacation and family, you know how it goes...

As most of you already know, I try to get the most bang for my buck when it comes to my 2.7L Tacoma. This is especially true for the fuel economy. I have tested several ways to increase both fuel efficiency and performance. While I have tried using additives on past vehicles, I have never bothered with devices that alter the fuel lines themselves as most of them fall under the category of "snake oil". If you don't know what I mean by "snake oil", check it out on Wikipedia. The first paragraph explains it all.

For those of you that don't already know, to increase my fuel economy my truck has a removed "Secondary Air Filter", a drop-in AFE high flow air filter, and 38 PSI in all four tires.

That being said, I try to keep an open mind about new products that promise better fuel efficiency, engine performance, and seem to be better for the environment (on the last one - please note that I have never removed a Catalytic Converter or bypassed an EGR system). When I came across this thread, I began to look further into the ECO-Systems product, a Fuel Vapor Pressure Enhancer. I watched the news footage from my local NBC News 4 WOAI and KXAN Austin and Las Vegas News 3. I decided that this was worth investigating. Now that I have read up on the ECO-System, I am going to purchase one (as soon as money permits), and do a complete review on Tacoma World.

I am in contact with Ben Talamantez of ECO-Systems. I have been copying tcBob on the emails to make sure that all of this is kosher with him. Ben and I are talking about getting the Vapor Pressure Enhancer installed on my 2007 Tacoma PreRunner 2.7L Manual, so that I can get a review out to you guys. Ben is also working with us on the possibility of getting a group buy going once the review is complete.

For the review, I plan on testing the device over a 3 week period. Within the average 3 weeks, I go through about 3-4 tanks of fuel if I don't drive to Houston and don't tow anything. ECO-System's Support site says that you should average at least 3 tanks of fuel to see what your true fuel savings are, so we will use this as our basis. I plan on documenting the installation since it can be a Do-It-Yourself install, but it is not recommended. I will not be doing the install myself, as I want it done the way ECO-Systems says is proper, and I want no "Mark-Errors". I will also plan on keeping a log of mileage, driving style per trip + Air Conditioning usage, "felt" power gains (as I don't have a dyno), and most importantly fuel usage.

Now, that is what I want to know and what I think you want to know. Is there anything else that you feel needs to be in this article? I want this to be as complete as possible. Let me know guys, and if budget and resources permit we will test it!

As for the budget - I still have to work that out with the wife and see what this is going to cost me. We may have to wait a month to do this. I will let you know more as I get the info.

Cheers!

[nd]

I guess i need something explained to me. When the fuel is injected into your engine, isn't it sprayed into the cylinder as a mist? I'm not sure i understand how this really helps.

[nd]

BTW, welcome back 007, i was wondering where you went. I thought maybe i won the great Carolina Texas war of 2007 and finally drove you off

check out my photo gallery, i posted a pic just for you on there

[maverick491]

Originally Posted by ndcouch

I guess i need something explained to me. When the fuel is injected into your engine, isn't it sprayed into the cylinder as a mist? I'm not sure i understand how this really helps.

Having never been inside the cylinder of an engine when the injector fired, I can only speculate, but I am under the impression that when the injector fires it is more like the "stream" setting on the nozle of your windex or 409 spray bottle, and this makes it more like the "spray" setting.

This is my understanding anyway.

Mark,

I was intending to contact eco-system and TCbob this morning and propose exactly what you have already outlined. Since you've already got it underway, though I'll defer to you, and stand-by and await the results. Let me know if I can be of any help on this undertaking, as this product does seem to do what it claims. The science behind it is sound, we just have to determine if the science works in practical application.

[007Tacoma]

Originally Posted by ndcouch

I guess i need something explained to me. When the fuel is injected into your engine, isn't it sprayed into the cylinder as a mist? I'm not sure i understand how this really helps.

It is my understanding that the injectors put the fuel into the cylinder as a mist, but it is not a perfect spray. I believe in diesel engines they call this atomization (SP) or distance between particles of fuel. With this device, the "atomization" of the fuel is before the injector. This allows the the particles to be further apart for a more complete mixture of air and fuel - thus the more efficient burn.

The log and the saw dust analogy is still the best.

[007Tacoma]

Originally Posted by ndcouch

BTW, welcome back 007, i was wondering where you went. I thought maybe i won the great Carolina Texas war of 2007 and finally drove you off

check out my photo gallery, i posted a pic just for you on there

Which picture are you talking about?

[007Tacoma]

Originally Posted by maverick491

Having never been inside the cylinder of an engine when the injector fired, I can only speculate, but I am under the impression that when the injector fires it is more like the "stream" setting on the nozle of your windex or 409 spray bottle, and this makes it more like the "spray" setting.

This is my understanding anyway.

EXACTLY!

Originally Posted by maverick491

Mark,

I was intending to contact eco-system and TCbob this morning and propose exactly what you have already outlined. Since you've already got it underway, though I'll defer to you, and stand-by and await the results. Let me know if I can be of any help on this undertaking, as this product does seem to do what it claims. The science behind it is sound, we just have to determine if the science works in practical application.

Well I only have a 2.7L. It will still need to be tested on the 4.0L.

[maverick491]

Originally Posted by 007Tacoma

Well I only have a 2.7L. It will still need to be tested on the 4.0L.

I'm game, keep me in the loop, I'll be the 4.0L test subject. Let me know when you have things finalized with the eco-systems guys for how much and whom to write the check to.

[007Tacoma]

Originally Posted by maverick491

I'm game, keep me in the loop, I'll be the 4.0L test subject. Let me know when you have things finalized with the eco-systems guys for how much and whom to write the check to.

I am expecting a call this morning from Ben w/ ECO-Systems. I gave him a link to this thread so he can watch the progress. I will continue the discussion on here.

When I finish the review, I will be doing a completely separate thread with pictures, stats, and review text.

[Rich Swanner]

I did not see a price? Any idea of what they charge?-Rich