What the hell???

Viper-2 · 09-22-2007, 03:43 AM

I don't get this review: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/mostw...0/article.html

If the Tacoma is the truck most of them would buy then how the hell did the Frontier win in that stupid video we all cringed at in their own review? In case you haven't seen it:

TrippinEx · 09-22-2007, 09:56 AM

If you dig a little deeper, you'll notice that the video review was for the 2005 Tacoma and Frontier: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=107904

The other edmunds review you pointed out is for the 2007 models.

Guess they liked the Tacoma better in 2007 than they did in 2005...

Viper-2 · 09-23-2007, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrippinEx

If you dig a little deeper, you'll notice that the video review was for the 2005 Tacoma and Frontier: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=107904

The other edmunds review you pointed out is for the 2007 models.

Guess they liked the Tacoma better in 2007 than they did in 2005...

You're right, weird. I suppose I always just feel that the 05 and the 07 are the same truck...I know they pretty much are. But maybe the competition changed? Wasn't the Nissan upgraded in 2005 also? Didn't it stay the same in 2007 too?

Duh...

Mudbug · 09-23-2007, 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper-2

You're right, weird. I suppose I always just feel that the 05 and the 07 are the same truck...I know they pretty much are. But maybe the competition changed? Wasn't the Nissan upgraded in 2005 also? Didn't it stay the same in 2007 too?

Duh...

Toyota paid them more than nissan in 07 hahahahaha

TrippinEx · 09-23-2007, 08:51 AM

I took a look at Consumer Reports. The Tacoma was rated slightly higher than the Frontier for '08. They were both recommended buys.

I looked at the '05 models on CR. Where the Tacoma won out (the difference being Excellent vs. Very Good) was in Owner Satisfaction. There was one thing the Frontier got knocked on, and it was their drive system (rated Good). That's about it.

Reviews are like opinions which are like... Everybody has one. So, my guess would be whoever rated the '05 models on edmunds wasn't the same when the review was done for the '07 models.

flyman767 · 09-23-2007, 09:00 AM

There is always some good limited information one can ascertain from reading a 'car review'.... but from my experience you take the good with the bad. Everyone has there opinion...are they biased? Maybe? Are we biased on this forum? Maybe? I know there are several owners, no matter what vehicle they buy, believe everything they read needs to reinforce the decision they made to buy the vehicle they own. The Tacoma is not perfect and nor is the Frontier or any other vehicle...but the reason I purchased a Tacoma is for the design, quality, and reliability of Toyota's. Time will ultimately tell if the new Tacoma's will hold up to previous generations. However, I do have reservations they will.

TrippinEx · 09-23-2007, 10:21 AM

I'm biased, that's for certain. I've always owned Toyotas. In my lifetime, I've owned:

'82 Tercel
'95 Camry LE
'97 4Runner SR5
'99 4Runner Limited
'03 Sequoia SR5
'05 Tacoma PreRunner Regular Cab
'06 Tacoma PreRunner Double Cab

Toy4Life · 09-23-2007, 01:09 PM

I'm with ya TrippinEx. Hence the name Toy4Life.
I've owned:
-95 Tercel
-00 Avalon
-04 Corolla
-04 Highlander
-04 Xb
-02 Tacoma 4x4 AccessCab
These include my wifes vehicles, whom I converted after marriage.

TrippinEx · 09-23-2007, 04:19 PM

That's funny that you say that about converting your wife. I converted my wife, too. When I met her, she was driving a '97 Mitsubishi Diamante. When she turned it in, she wanted a two seater. We looked at the 200x MR2s, but there was just too much engine noise (obviously since it is a mid engine car). So, we got her a 2001 BMW Z3 v6 (that was a sweet ride). Then, we had our son, so I convinced her to get an '06 Sienna Limited. It's nice, but it is the epitome of a "grocery getter."

03coma · 09-23-2007, 04:50 PM

ahhh.. don't believe everything you see.. We all know here that the TACOMA are #1
All I can say about Nissan, it's about time they stepped up to the plate.

Toy4Life · 09-23-2007, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrippinEx

That's funny that you say that about converting your wife. I converted my wife, too. When I met her, she was driving a '97 Mitsubishi Diamante. When she turned it in, she wanted a two seater. We looked at the 200x MR2s, but there was just too much engine noise (obviously since it is a mid engine car). So, we got her a 2001 BMW Z3 v6 (that was a sweet ride). Then, we had our son, so I convinced her to get an '06 Sienna Limited. It's nice, but it is the epitome of a "grocery getter."

My wife had a 99 Grand Cherokee, it had it's ups and downs. When she decided she wanted to get rid of it, I took her straight to the Toyota dealership. The rest was history til this year. A far better dealer experience at Honda put her into an 07 CRV.

Viper-2 · 09-24-2007, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyman767

There is always some good limited information one can ascertain from reading a 'car review'.... but from my experience you take the good with the bad. Everyone has there opinion...are they biased? Maybe? Are we biased on this forum? Maybe? I know there are several owners, no matter what vehicle they buy, believe everything they read needs to reinforce the decision they made to buy the vehicle they own. The Tacoma is not perfect and nor is the Frontier or any other vehicle...but the reason I purchased a Tacoma is for the design, quality, and reliability of Toyota's. Time will ultimately tell if the new Tacoma's will hold up to previous generations. However, I do have reservations they will.

Ya know I'm offended Flyman and that is unusual with me since you are not from Texas. I am fair in every way. I just happen to know that the Toyota is the most awesomest truck.

I heard it from everyone on this site from the day I joined so it must be right. My wife told me as well: I asked her..."Isn't this the best looking, coolest truck on the road? I know I said I wouldn't go to your brothers wedding...do you like my new skidplate?...Yes Keith...I love it...okay I'll go then.

"

flyman767 · 09-24-2007, 03:21 PM

LOL...maybe all those co-workers from TX and spending a lot of time there has been rubbing off on me. I love my truck...I just don't want to get caught up in the kool-aid.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper-2

Ya know I'm offended Flyman and that is unusual with me since you are not from Texas. I am fair in every way. I just happen to know that the Toyota is the most awesomest truck.

I heard it from everyone on this site from the day I joined so it must be right. My wife told me as well: I asked her..."Isn't this the best looking, coolest truck on the road? I know I said I wouldn't go to your brothers wedding...do you like my new skidplate?...Yes Keith...I love it...okay I'll go then.

"

nd · 09-25-2007, 07:14 AM

Hey Viper, i was in your neck of the woods this weekend for a wedding. I dont see how you live down there year round. I was sweatin' my ass off (although it was an outdoor wedding and i was in a full suit.) It sucked, i was actually in the party so i was standing up front and could feel the sweat dripping down my ass and everyone was watching so there was nothing i could do about it. Same thing with my face, it looked like i was crying but i was just sweating like a pig. Also, i am covered in "no-see-em" bites. They make mosquitoes look like your best friend. That part of the state is beautiful but miserable during the hot months

GMG3 · 09-25-2007, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TrippinEx

If you dig a little deeper, you'll notice that the video review was for the 2005 Tacoma and Frontier: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=107904

The other edmunds review you pointed out is for the 2007 models.

Guess they liked the Tacoma better in 2007 than they did in 2005...

Well, If they said the same thing every year, who'd buy their magazine?

350TacoZilla · 09-25-2007, 09:21 PM

I've owned

1979 toyota pickup (20R rocked) 5spd
1981 toyota pickup 4x4 converted into a 4 runner bed was all fiberglass
1982 toyota pickup 1L diesel 4-spd
1985 toyota 4x4 why the hell did i get rid of it(solid axle and new body)5-spd
1989 toyota 4x4 22re converted to 1L diesel/5-speed
1995 toyota tacoma 4x4 V6 extra cab/supercharged/5-speed
1996 toyota tacoma 4x4 reg cab/4cyl/5-spd
1997 toyota tacoma 4x4 reg cab/4cyl/5-spd
1999 toyota tacoma 4x4 reg cab/4cyl/auto (dont ask)
thats only the toy's I have had over 51 cars/trucks on rd...and I'm 24 LOL
i suffer from WVS wandering vehicle syndrome

danusa · 09-25-2007, 11:14 PM

I sure hope the `06 Taco is better.
I have modified it at no small expence.

flyman767 · 09-26-2007, 12:51 AM

The 06' better than what? Previous generation Tacoma's? Doubtful.... I've heard of previous generations going 400-800K miles and still on the original engine!

Quote:

Originally Posted by danusa

I sure hope the `06 Taco is better.
I have modified it at no small expence.

Viper-2 · 09-26-2007, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ndcouch

Hey Viper, i was in your neck of the woods this weekend for a wedding. I dont see how you live down there year round. I was sweatin' my ass off (although it was an outdoor wedding and i was in a full suit.) It sucked, i was actually in the party so i was standing up front and could feel the sweat dripping down my ass and everyone was watching so there was nothing i could do about it. Same thing with my face, it looked like i was crying but i was just sweating like a pig. Also, i am covered in "no-see-em" bites. They make mosquitoes look like your best friend. That part of the state is beautiful but miserable during the hot months

Man I have nothing to say but I agree. Also this Summer was especially brutal with heat indexes in the 115 range. There were days I walked outside, turned around and went right back in.

July, August and most of September suck for that. BUT, then comes October through March and it's heaven. No snow, tourists go home for the most part and the people are awesome.

But you're right, a lot of A/C and swimming.

09-23-2007, 09:00 AM	#6
flyman767 Senior Member Joined: Apr 2007, #1332 Location: Poland, Ohio Posts: 150	There is always some good limited information one can ascertain from reading a 'car review'.... but from my experience you take the good with the bad. Everyone has there opinion...are they biased? Maybe? Are we biased on this forum? Maybe? I know there are several owners, no matter what vehicle they buy, believe everything they read needs to reinforce the decision they made to buy the vehicle they own. The Tacoma is not perfect and nor is the Frontier or any other vehicle...but the reason I purchased a Tacoma is for the design, quality, and reliability of Toyota's. Time will ultimately tell if the new Tacoma's will hold up to previous generations. However, I do have reservations they will. __________________ 2007 TRD OFF-ROAD, Auto, VSC, Truxedo Lo Pro Soft Cover, Stainless Factory Tube Steps(Challenger's), Black Headlight Mod, EGR In Channel Window Shades, EGR AERO Bug Guard, Amsoil series 2000 synthetic 0W-30

09-23-2007, 10:21 AM	#7
TrippinEx Member Joined: Jul 2007, #2177 Location: Atlanta Posts: 34 06 PreRunner SR5 2006 Double Cab Automatic V6 Extang Trifecta tonneau cover, Kenwood DNX7100, leather seats, rims, K&N Filter	I'm biased, that's for certain. I've always owned Toyotas. In my lifetime, I've owned: '82 Tercel '95 Camry LE '97 4Runner SR5 '99 4Runner Limited '03 Sequoia SR5 '05 Tacoma PreRunner Regular Cab '06 Tacoma PreRunner Double Cab

09-23-2007, 01:09 PM	#8
Toy4Life Nipple Biter Joined: Aug 2007, #2566 Location: Slippery Rock, PA Age: 29 Gender: Male Posts: 3,390 Radiant Red 02 TRD Offroad 2002 Access Cab Automatic 3.4L V6 Toytec 3" Lift(TAC3-PC-1000), 1" diff. drop, Tacoma World sticker, gray wire mod, 15x8 black steel wheels, 33/10.5/15 BFG AT KO's, Hella 500's(cracked), K&N High Flow air filter, trash can tonneau cover, Manik Brush Guard(whenever I get the brackets[I'm impatiently waiting!])	I'm with ya TrippinEx. Hence the name Toy4Life. I've owned: -95 Tercel -00 Avalon -04 Corolla -04 Highlander -04 Xb -02 Tacoma 4x4 AccessCab These include my wifes vehicles, whom I converted after marriage. __________________

09-25-2007, 07:14 AM	#14
nd AKA: "The Velour Fog" Joined: Mar 2007, #1047 Location: Greenville, SC Age: 27 Gender: Female Posts: 7,138 07 TRD Off-Road 4x4 debadged 2007 Double Cab Automatic V6 De badged, 5100's, Black Toyota Baja wheels	Hey Viper, i was in your neck of the woods this weekend for a wedding. I dont see how you live down there year round. I was sweatin' my ass off (although it was an outdoor wedding and i was in a full suit.) It sucked, i was actually in the party so i was standing up front and could feel the sweat dripping down my ass and everyone was watching so there was nothing i could do about it. Same thing with my face, it looked like i was crying but i was just sweating like a pig. Also, i am covered in "no-see-em" bites. They make mosquitoes look like your best friend. That part of the state is beautiful but miserable during the hot months __________________ When life gives you lemons, just say 'Fuck the lemons,' and bail.

09-25-2007, 09:21 PM	#16
350TacoZilla Senior Member Joined: Sep 2007, #2767 Location: Clear Spring MD Posts: 798	I've owned 1979 toyota pickup (20R rocked) 5spd 1981 toyota pickup 4x4 converted into a 4 runner bed was all fiberglass 1982 toyota pickup 1L diesel 4-spd 1985 toyota 4x4 why the hell did i get rid of it(solid axle and new body)5-spd 1989 toyota 4x4 22re converted to 1L diesel/5-speed 1995 toyota tacoma 4x4 V6 extra cab/supercharged/5-speed 1996 toyota tacoma 4x4 reg cab/4cyl/5-spd 1997 toyota tacoma 4x4 reg cab/4cyl/5-spd 1999 toyota tacoma 4x4 reg cab/4cyl/auto (dont ask) thats only the toy's I have had over 51 cars/trucks on rd...and I'm 24 LOL i suffer from WVS wandering vehicle syndrome __________________ Yeah so I hacked up a toyota and put a chevy frame under it, does that make me a bad person? Yeah i guess your right......only one thing left to do......BANG!

09-22-2007, 03:43 AM	#1
Viper-2 Secret Agent Joined: Jul 2007, #2073 Posts: 502	What the hell??? I don't get this review: http://www.edmunds.com/reviews/mostw...0/article.html If the Tacoma is the truck most of them would buy then how the hell did the Frontier win in that stupid video we all cringed at in their own review? In case you haven't seen it:

09-22-2007, 09:56 AM	#2
TrippinEx Member Joined: Jul 2007, #2177 Location: Atlanta Posts: 34 06 PreRunner SR5 2006 Double Cab Automatic V6 Extang Trifecta tonneau cover, Kenwood DNX7100, leather seats, rims, K&N Filter	If you dig a little deeper, you'll notice that the video review was for the 2005 Tacoma and Frontier: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=107904 The other edmunds review you pointed out is for the 2007 models. Guess they liked the Tacoma better in 2007 than they did in 2005...

09-23-2007, 08:51 AM	#5
TrippinEx Member Joined: Jul 2007, #2177 Location: Atlanta Posts: 34 06 PreRunner SR5 2006 Double Cab Automatic V6 Extang Trifecta tonneau cover, Kenwood DNX7100, leather seats, rims, K&N Filter	I took a look at Consumer Reports. The Tacoma was rated slightly higher than the Frontier for '08. They were both recommended buys. I looked at the '05 models on CR. Where the Tacoma won out (the difference being Excellent vs. Very Good) was in Owner Satisfaction. There was one thing the Frontier got knocked on, and it was their drive system (rated Good). That's about it. Reviews are like opinions which are like... Everybody has one. So, my guess would be whoever rated the '05 models on edmunds wasn't the same when the review was done for the '07 models.

09-23-2007, 04:19 PM	#9
TrippinEx Member Joined: Jul 2007, #2177 Location: Atlanta Posts: 34 06 PreRunner SR5 2006 Double Cab Automatic V6 Extang Trifecta tonneau cover, Kenwood DNX7100, leather seats, rims, K&N Filter	That's funny that you say that about converting your wife. I converted my wife, too. When I met her, she was driving a '97 Mitsubishi Diamante. When she turned it in, she wanted a two seater. We looked at the 200x MR2s, but there was just too much engine noise (obviously since it is a mid engine car). So, we got her a 2001 BMW Z3 v6 (that was a sweet ride). Then, we had our son, so I convinced her to get an '06 Sienna Limited. It's nice, but it is the epitome of a "grocery getter."

09-23-2007, 04:50 PM	#10
03coma Member Joined: Nov 2006, #203 Location: NJ Posts: 78	ahhh.. don't believe everything you see.. We all know here that the TACOMA are #1 All I can say about Nissan, it's about time they stepped up to the plate.

09-25-2007, 11:14 PM	#17
danusa Banned Joined: Sep 2007, #2637 Posts: 831	2nd. Gen. I sure hope the `06 Taco is better. I have modified it at no small expence.

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