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Old 01-26-2015, 03:23 PM   #1
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Bigger wheels/tires now have a problem with "slip"

2015 Toyota Tacoma DCSB Pre-runner. Recently had some Toyo AT tires (33OD x 11.5OW on 18 inch rims) installed on my truck. Front end lifted 3 inches, back end leveled up by 1 inch. The installer said that there isn't a speedometer calibrator available yet. No problem, I can do the numbers in my head for now. But after driving for 3k miles before the new rims/tires/lift with absolutely zero issues, I now have an issue which I need some guidance on. While driving on very familiar roads (which presented no issues before the install) I am now experiencing what I can only guess is "slip" around corners. I have only recently been able to see that the actual "Slip Indicator" light on the instrument panel briefly light up. There is a momentary sensation of loss of steering and a sound that I can only describe as a faint electronic motor/whirl (like something is trying to adjust). The electric motor sound will continue to happen as I go around corners even if the loss of steering and "Slip Indicator" light doesn't come on. I have tried to locate info in the forums and I believe at the very least I need the speedometer calibrated, but sounds like I might need to change a gear at the sensor to solve this issue.
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Old 01-26-2015, 03:45 PM   #2
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my 2015 is completely stock and i get this same sensation and noise. havent noticed the light yet. i came across a thread the other day on tw that was to the tune of "tacoma traction control is dangerous on our trucks..." after putting just over 2k miles on my truck, I would have to agree with that. it behaves like no other system ive ever owned. i dont like it at all.
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yeah vsc will go off if I make a corner too sharply. otherwise I forget its there.

if its giving you problems I believe you want to get a "zero point vsc recalibration" done.
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Thanks, that is helpful for me to give to the installer in case they give me the deer in the headlights look.
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my 2015 is completely stock and i get this same sensation and noise. havent noticed the light yet. i came across a thread the other day on tw that was to the tune of "tacoma traction control is dangerous on our trucks..." after putting just over 2k miles on my truck, I would have to agree with that. it behaves like no other system ive ever owned. i dont like it at all.
Never did it once before the install and I drive that road (where I can repeat the issue) regularly.
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yeah vsc will go off if I make a corner too sharply. otherwise I forget its there.

if its giving you problems I believe you want to get a "zero point vsc recalibration" done.
Thanks. More ammo for me to give the installer.
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2015 Toyota Tacoma DCSB Pre-runner. Recently had some Toyo AT tires (33OD x 11.5OW on 18 inch rims) installed on my truck. Front end lifted 3 inches, back end leveled up by 1 inch. The installer said that there isn't a speedometer calibrator available yet. No problem, I can do the numbers in my head for now. But after driving for 3k miles before the new rims/tires/lift with absolutely zero issues, I now have an issue which I need some guidance on. While driving on very familiar roads (which presented no issues before the install) I am now experiencing what I can only guess is "slip" around corners. I have only recently been able to see that the actual "Slip Indicator" light on the instrument panel briefly light up. There is a momentary sensation of loss of steering and a sound that I can only describe as a faint electronic motor/whirl (like something is trying to adjust). The electric motor sound will continue to happen as I go around corners even if the loss of steering and "Slip Indicator" light doesn't come on. I have tried to locate info in the forums and I believe at the very least I need the speedometer calibrated, but sounds like I might need to change a gear at the sensor to solve this issue.

I know the exact tone you are talking about that occurs without any VSC interaction
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VSC just about pulled me off the road the other day. I was getting off the highway on an off ramp. It was a sharp curve and I was cruising, but comfortable. Halfway through the vsc kicked in and started pulling me off the road. Same feeling as loss of steering as you described. Luckily I was close enough to the inside corner that I was able to get around the rest of the turn without incident. If I would have been closer to the outside it would have pulled me into loose gravel and then into the road barrier. Not cool. I need recalibrate mine.

I assumed it was vsc. Maybe it's not.
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Old 01-26-2015, 05:02 PM   #11
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VSC just about pulled me off the road the other day. I was getting off the highway on an off ramp. It was a sharp curve and I was cruising, but comfortable. Halfway through the vsc kicked in and started pulling me off the road. Same feeling as loss of steering as you described. Luckily I was close enough to the inside corner that I was able to get around the rest of the turn without incident. If I would have been closer to the outside it would have pulled me into loose gravel and then into the road barrier. Not cool. I need recalibrate mine.

I assumed it was vsc. Maybe it's not.

Did you hear a beeping and feel an ABS -like brake pedal pulsation ?
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Old 01-26-2015, 05:14 PM   #13
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Did you hear a beeping and feel an ABS -like brake pedal pulsation ?
Well, Toyota stopped using the beeping to alert the vsc is kicking in. Im guessing 2012+. My 2011 would beep, but my current 2013 doesnt. I could kinda hear the abs sound, but my foot wasn't on the brake so I didn't feel the typical pulsating in the pedal.

The front right tire felt like it was braking as I went into the left turn. The truck pulled really hard to the right even as I tried to slightly compensate for it. It had me quite worried for a few seconds.

To be clear the steering wheel didn't pull to the right, just the truck itself.
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Old 01-26-2015, 05:23 PM   #14
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Well, Toyota stopped using the beeping to alert the vsc is kicking in. Im guessing 2012+. My 2011 would beep, but my current 2013 doesnt. I could kinda hear the abs sound, but my foot wasn't on the brake so I didn't feel the typical pulsating in the pedal.

The front right tire felt like it was braking as I went into the left turn. The truck pulled really hard to the right even as I tried to slightly compensate for it. It had me quite worried for a few seconds.

To be clear the steering wheel didn't pull to the right, just the truck itself.

Interesting about the beep

I know the feeling you describe all too well
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Another reason I love my 05! Flip the switch and shut off the ABS and drift it around, lock up the brakes, whatever I want. No electronic nannies to spoil anything. I admit I know next to nothing about current Toyota stability control systems (besides knowing I don't want them) but it's possible you're actually having wheel slip and don't realize it.
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Another reason I love my 05! Flip the switch and shut off the ABS and drift it around, lock up the brakes, whatever I want. No electronic nannies to spoil anything. I admit I know next to nothing about current Toyota stability control systems (besides knowing I don't want them) but it's possible you're actually having wheel slip and don't realize it.
I know 100% in my case it isn't wheel slip. You can physically feel the truck get pulled in the opposite direction.
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Another reason I love my 05! Flip the switch and shut off the ABS and drift it around, lock up the brakes, whatever I want. No electronic nannies to spoil anything. I admit I know next to nothing about current Toyota stability control systems (besides knowing I don't want them) but it's possible you're actually having wheel slip and don't realize it.

Bypassing ABS also kills all the VSC and Traction Control in the newer trucks
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I know 100% in my case it isn't wheel slip. You can physically feel the truck get pulled in the opposite direction.

Same here
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Bypassing ABS also kills all the VSC and Traction Control in the newer trucks
Interesting. So if I put an abs kill switch it will also turn off vsc and trac?
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Old 01-26-2015, 06:12 PM   #20
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Interesting. So if I put an abs kill switch it will also turn off vsc and trac?

Yes
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