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manual tranny wont shift

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by sbentley, Apr 15, 2015.

  1. Apr 16, 2015 at 7:48 AM
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    Ok ya after pondering on it all night kinda figured thats what was goin on. Clutch master is under the pedal and they just share reservoirs. Now that I know that I will try and blead It or just change slave and go from there.
     
  2. Apr 16, 2015 at 7:49 AM
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    What aftermarket clutch do you guys recommend if it is my clutch? Trying to prise it to see were my funds are
     
  3. Apr 16, 2015 at 7:42 PM
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    Aisin, or Exedy, which is Aisin's aftermarket line. Keep clear of LUK clutches for this application.
     
  4. Apr 16, 2015 at 8:16 PM
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    I would see if you can use a screwdriver or small pry bar to manually move the shifter fork. Check for smooth movement, and feel. If you press the clutch and the slave cylinder only moves a very small amount, then most likely you have a bad master, or a bad slave cylinder. What happens is an inner seal can be leaking, causing fluid to bypass the seal and not apply the clutch fork.

    A slave cylinder is only $20 on Rockauto.com, and a master is $50. So really for $70 plus shipping you could get both, and just replace the pair.
     
  5. Apr 17, 2015 at 6:37 AM
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    Does the clutch have pressure and good spring back when you press it?
     
  6. Apr 17, 2015 at 7:54 AM
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    So I replaced my slave cylinder bled it and still wont go into gear... I wanna replace my master slave but no part stores can get one... a sign that they rarely go out? Really think its just my clutch .I only have 70k on the truck.
     
  7. Apr 17, 2015 at 10:09 AM
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    Clutch was a little soft before I replaced slave. once I replaces it have better pressure and spring back but when I was bleeding it the clutch pedal did stick to the floor a few times but once bled all the way it hasn't done it.
     
  8. Apr 17, 2015 at 10:11 AM
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    Not that I went with LUK but y not go with them?
     
  9. Apr 17, 2015 at 9:17 PM
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    They are notorious for low plate load and slipping on these 4 cyl trucks- at VERY low mileage. Toyota has issued a TSB on the slippage issue for trucks still covered under warranty, and the correction is the Aisin clutch. I wouldn't doubt that if indeed your clutch has failed you will find a LUK clutch was installed at the factory. I've had decent luck with LUK clutches in other applications in the past, but wouldn't consider installing one in this application.
     
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    As I recall that problem was addressed, and the new LUK clutches do not have that problem. I have 30K+ on my LUK clutch, and my buddy has almost 60K on his that I installed.
     
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    Pilot bearing outer race goes into crankshaft, pilot bearing inner race connects to input shaft. If pilot bearing seizes it causes the problem listed.
     
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    ^^^^^^ I have never seen this happen to a point where the clutch would no longer function.
    In most cases , the input shaft will cause the pilot bearing to blow apart
    What type of vehicle did this occur with ?

    Another common problem occurs after the vehicle sits for a long period of time and the clutch disc rusts and seizes to the input shaft splines . Pushing the clutch pedal down to the floor causes the pressure plate to remove the clamping force , but the clutch disc wont move as it is rusted stuck , therefore the transmission is always in gear
     
  13. Apr 19, 2015 at 7:56 AM
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    Since no one believes this call any transmission shop. Ask them if my pilot bearing starts to seize up will my trans be hard to put in gear while engine is running and vehicle is stopped. Engine on vehicle stopped input shaft has to be stopped for normal engagement from neutral.
     
  14. Apr 19, 2015 at 7:27 PM
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    All I can say is that I ( in my 60 short years ) have never seen a pilot bearing / bushing seize. I can however see where it could happen, but it would have to be really seized up hard.
     
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    I really can't imagine that. A throwout bearing yes, pilot no.
     
  16. Apr 20, 2015 at 4:50 PM
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    I've dealt with numerous cases of seized pilot bearings in commercial trucks - mainly with Mercedes Benz MB4000 engines thanks to an undersized bearing and poor quality lube in the sealed bearing. The classic symptoms - grinding / inability to get into gear from neutral. They won't usually cause the truck to drive forward when in gear with the clutch depressed though, the drag of the bearing spinning on the shaft nose just isn't enough to make that happen in most cases.
     
  17. Apr 21, 2015 at 8:09 PM
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    Interesting. Live and learn.
    I can't imagine that this bearing, even when seized is strong enough to hold back the main shaft.
     

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