ARB Winch Bumper - NEED HELP!

FFJamison · 11-04-2007, 08:38 AM

I have an '07 Tacoma and put an ARB winch bumper and winch on my truck along with a Daystar leveling kit on the front to bring it back up to stock ride height. 3 months later I hauled 300lbs in the bed and it now leans almost an inch to the left. I have been fighting with the dealership as they want me to return the truck to completely stock before they will replace any of the springs. Even 4 Wheel Parts (where I had everything installed) said they cant find anything wrong and it has to be a bad spring. The dealership even put it on a frame machine to see if the frame bent and its not. So now they are saying its because of the bumper and winch that weigh less than 200lbs. This is complete bullshit. So heres what I need help with I need anyone that has or knows someone with the same bumper to take pics of your truck no matter what year and send them to me. The pics will help me fight the dealership. And has anyone else had this problem?

rhoppas · 11-04-2007, 08:49 AM

My 07 TRD DC Sport leaned to the drivers side when it was brand new. It is fairly common. All the heavy parts are on the drivers side (battery, gas tank, driver). Your winch probably just made it more noticeable. Mine became more noticeable when I installed the bull bar. If you search the forum you should find several discussions about it.

BTW, welcome to TW!

TheMaster · 11-04-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by FFJamison

I have an '07 Tacoma and put an ARB winch bumper and winch on my truck

Just curious. What is the make and model of your winch? Also, what is the combined weight of the winch, winch mounting plate, bull bar and any other attachments you had to add to complete the job.

OK. I see you got a MM9500. Can you provide the total weight please? Thanks.

FFJamison · 11-04-2007, 09:36 AM

The winch is 90lbs the bumper and mounts are around a 100lbs I lifted it out of the bed of the truck by myself.

TheMaster · 11-04-2007, 12:23 PM

Where are you located? I will speak to my Toyota mechanic and get back to you tomorrow, time permitting to see what may be causing the lean or what may have been over looked.

From what I know, you have little recourse, if any. You have altered and/or modified a product while under warranty thereby essentially voiding such claims. You have no grounds to launch a fight under these circumstances no matter what proof you may gather.

The dealership is within its legal rights to refuse to assist you beyond this point on the lean issue under warranty. However, it was nice of them to tell you to bring it back in stock form at which point they will investigate the matter further. IMO this is a road you must travel upon if you wish for an amicable resolution and continued association with your dealership. Be aware, the dealership still reserves the right to recover any costs associated with this repair from you. Whether they do or not, is a different story.

jhodge83 · 11-04-2007, 12:52 PM

mine leans some to the drivers side as well and i dont have any of that extra weight. however, i do notice it more when i have a full tank vs. an empty one. a full tank weights about 147lbs...a lot of extra weight on that one side thats not shared across the truck

Justin626 · 11-04-2007, 02:49 PM

Toytec offers single spacers to correct driver's side lean. I've also heard that it is pretty normal. You probably didn't notice it until now. Studies show that excessive Taco moding causes extended periods of time staring at your truck.

rhoppas · 11-04-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Justin626

Studies show that excessive Taco moding causes extended periods of time staring at your truck.

We laugh about that statement but there is probably alot of truth to that. I didn't notice it on mine until I started modding it...

TuRDTACO · 11-04-2007, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rhoppas

We laugh about that statement but there is probably alot of truth to that. I didn't notice it on mine until I started modding it...

i still havent noticed any leaning on my taco

rhoppas · 11-04-2007, 07:47 PM

I've heard it is more pronounced on the Sport models. I don't know why...

kilo · 11-04-2007, 08:06 PM

The ARB bumper is heavy and think you should check you leveling kit or suspension kit? I'm about to get the ARB and was told to go for the OME kit all the way around. This coming from employee's of Toyota of Dallas.

sawdust · 11-05-2007, 07:57 AM

I've never noticed a lean on mine, but now you guys got me wondering. I'm going to have to go out in the parking lot and look! I knew this forum was no good.

nd · 11-05-2007, 09:08 AM

I have a slight lean on mine. It has been referred to as the "infamous taco lean". apparently it was on the older models as well as the newer models. On level ground mine is about an inch off.

007Tacoma · 11-05-2007, 10:50 AM

Mine is about 1/2 inch off...

rhoppas · 11-05-2007, 11:26 AM

Mine is about 1" off...

wormhole7 · 11-05-2007, 12:13 PM

Throw me in for 1/2 an inch. Never noticed until after I put on the bull bar and leveling spacers. I had a tape measure out checking after the leveling spacers, that's how I found it. That and the rear is also 1/2 inch lower than the front now.

Don't notice the drivers side lean but the rear being lower is obvious to me. Got some 1 inch blocks for the rear and some timbren suspension helpers, but from what I've read I'm not too sure about putting the 1 inch blocks on and the timbren's won't help with height as far as I know.

FFJamison · 11-05-2007, 12:23 PM

I wouldnt use the blocks, Im lookin at the Toytec 2'' add a leafs, shims, and carrier bearing drop to bring the rear up to match the front now.

sawdust · 11-05-2007, 12:36 PM

Are you eyeballing this height difference? Is there somewhere to measure it? Top of tire to bottom of fender?

rhoppas · 11-05-2007, 12:43 PM

I can see mine leaning by just eyeballing it, especially after I added the bull bar. I measured from the fender opening, at its highest point, to the ground on each side.

wormhole7 · 11-05-2007, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by FFJamison

I wouldnt use the blocks, Im lookin at the Toytec 2'' add a leafs, shims, and carrier bearing drop to bring the rear up to match the front now.

I had read that you can maintain the factory ride with the blocks so I ordered them. After I received them, I read something about axle wrap and have seen several people state they wouldn't use them, so I probably just wasted 59.00

I measured from the bottom of the wheel well to the ground.

11-04-2007, 08:38 AM	#1
FFJamison Junior Member Joined: Nov 2007, #3356 Posts: 3 '07 Tacoma PreRunner TRD Access Cab-speedway blue 2007 Access Cab Automatic ARB Winch Bumper, Mile Marker 9500, Daystar leveling kit	ARB Winch Bumper - NEED HELP! I have an '07 Tacoma and put an ARB winch bumper and winch on my truck along with a Daystar leveling kit on the front to bring it back up to stock ride height. 3 months later I hauled 300lbs in the bed and it now leans almost an inch to the left. I have been fighting with the dealership as they want me to return the truck to completely stock before they will replace any of the springs. Even 4 Wheel Parts (where I had everything installed) said they cant find anything wrong and it has to be a bad spring. The dealership even put it on a frame machine to see if the frame bent and its not. So now they are saying its because of the bumper and winch that weigh less than 200lbs. This is complete bullshit. So heres what I need help with I need anyone that has or knows someone with the same bumper to take pics of your truck no matter what year and send them to me. The pics will help me fight the dealership. And has anyone else had this problem?

11-04-2007, 12:23 PM	#5
TheMaster Speechless Joined: Oct 2006, #112 Location: Land of No Specific Enemy Gender: Male Posts: 2,996 2007 DC TRD Sport 2007 Double Cab Automatic Its a Toyota ;-) Bug shield, window visors, skid plate, rust proofing, tonneau cover, paint & upholstery protection, side step bars, navigation system.	Where are you located? I will speak to my Toyota mechanic and get back to you tomorrow, time permitting to see what may be causing the lean or what may have been over looked. From what I know, you have little recourse, if any. You have altered and/or modified a product while under warranty thereby essentially voiding such claims. You have no grounds to launch a fight under these circumstances no matter what proof you may gather. The dealership is within its legal rights to refuse to assist you beyond this point on the lean issue under warranty. However, it was nice of them to tell you to bring it back in stock form at which point they will investigate the matter further. IMO this is a road you must travel upon if you wish for an amicable resolution and continued association with your dealership. Be aware, the dealership still reserves the right to recover any costs associated with this repair from you. Whether they do or not, is a different story. __________________ "My honour is more valuable than my commission".

11-04-2007, 12:52 PM	#6
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11-04-2007, 02:49 PM	#7
Justin626 It's only puffy when it's swollen Joined: Sep 2007, #2838 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Gender: Male Posts: 669 2007 4x4 TRD Sport DC Super White 2007 Double Cab Automatic 4.0 V6 Toytec 3" Black Anodized Spacer Kit w/ AAL, N-Fab Nerf Bars, Lightforce 170mm Strikers, N-Fab Light Bar, Metra Ipod Adapter, TRD Windshield Vinyl, Scosche Auto Start, Mod'd Stock TRD Vinyl Graphics, Partially Debadged And Painted, Deflapped, 15% Tint, Tacoma All-Weather Mats	Toytec offers single spacers to correct driver's side lean. I've also heard that it is pretty normal. You probably didn't notice it until now. Studies show that excessive Taco moding causes extended periods of time staring at your truck. __________________ "Nothing is more inspiring than feeling like you're a part of the flock, but being led by a moron." - Josh Homme

11-04-2007, 08:06 PM	#11
kilo Solo Member Joined: Apr 2007, #1283 Location: Garland, Texas Posts: 360 2007 Dbl cab long bed TRD Sport/cust 2007 Double Cab Automatic v6 custom sliders, 3" Old Man Emu lift,265/75R16 BFG M/T's on black steelies	The ARB bumper is heavy and think you should check you leveling kit or suspension kit? I'm about to get the ARB and was told to go for the OME kit all the way around. This coming from employee's of Toyota of Dallas. __________________ 2007 Dbl Cab TRD Sport http://ranchosanpedro.4t.com TTR#0077 TLCA#17779

11-04-2007, 08:49 AM	#2
rhoppas Northern Alliance Ally Joined: Aug 2007, #2564 Location: Topeka, KS Gender: Male Posts: 883 07 Double Cab V6 TRD Sport Tow 2007 Double Cab Automatic V6 Viper alarm, Hunter4x4 Bull Bar, 6" Pro Comp Off-Road lights, extra set of bed D-rings, Chrome exhaust tip, Metra Ipod/MP3 adapter, Garmin GPS, CarriageWorks grill, Maglite mounted to driver seat, 9" Stubbie Antenna, WeatherTech floor liners	My 07 TRD DC Sport leaned to the drivers side when it was brand new. It is fairly common. All the heavy parts are on the drivers side (battery, gas tank, driver). Your winch probably just made it more noticeable. Mine became more noticeable when I installed the bull bar. If you search the forum you should find several discussions about it. BTW, welcome to TW!

11-04-2007, 09:36 AM	#4
FFJamison Junior Member Joined: Nov 2007, #3356 Posts: 3 '07 Tacoma PreRunner TRD Access Cab-speedway blue 2007 Access Cab Automatic ARB Winch Bumper, Mile Marker 9500, Daystar leveling kit	The winch is 90lbs the bumper and mounts are around a 100lbs I lifted it out of the bed of the truck by myself.

11-04-2007, 07:47 PM	#10
rhoppas Northern Alliance Ally Joined: Aug 2007, #2564 Location: Topeka, KS Gender: Male Posts: 883 07 Double Cab V6 TRD Sport Tow 2007 Double Cab Automatic V6 Viper alarm, Hunter4x4 Bull Bar, 6" Pro Comp Off-Road lights, extra set of bed D-rings, Chrome exhaust tip, Metra Ipod/MP3 adapter, Garmin GPS, CarriageWorks grill, Maglite mounted to driver seat, 9" Stubbie Antenna, WeatherTech floor liners	I've heard it is more pronounced on the Sport models. I don't know why...

11-05-2007, 07:57 AM	#12
sawdust Unapologetic Texan Joined: Sep 2007, #2802 Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 1,294 07 TRD Offroad Radiant Red V6 Auto DC 2007 Double Cab Automatic V6 Automatic Homelink mirror, tailgate lock, 2ndary air filter removal, Access LE tonneau, Bugflector II, hitch-based bed extender, vent visors, suspension TSB, stall mat	I've never noticed a lean on mine, but now you guys got me wondering. I'm going to have to go out in the parking lot and look! I knew this forum was no good. __________________

11-05-2007, 09:08 AM	#13
nd AKA: "The Velour Fog" Joined: Mar 2007, #1047 Location: Greenville, SC Age: 27 Gender: Guy Posts: 7,556 07 TRD Off-Road 4x4 debadged 2007 Double Cab Automatic V6 De badged, 5100's, Black Toyota Baja wheels	I have a slight lean on mine. It has been referred to as the "infamous taco lean". apparently it was on the older models as well as the newer models. On level ground mine is about an inch off. __________________ When life gives you lemons, just say 'Fuck the lemons,' and bail.

11-05-2007, 10:50 AM	#14
007Tacoma Moderator; TW Moderator Joined: Jan 2007, #643 Location: San Antonio, Texas Age: 27 Gender: Guy Posts: 5,822 08 PreRunner SR5 DoubleCab LongBed BSP 2008 Double Cab Automatic 4.0L TacomaWorld.com Sticker, URD True Cold Air Intake, Debadged, Blackened Headlight Mod, 30% Window Tint, Access LE Tonneau, Bed Mat, OEM Daytime Running Lights + On/Off Switch, Fogs-On-Anytime Mod, Alternating Turn-Signal Mod, Canvas Seat Covers, Pioneer Stereo, iPod Connection, PAC steering wheel remote, Homemade Bike Rack (4 bikes), Firestone Destination ATs 265/75R16, TRD Suspension Upgrade	Mine is about 1/2 inch off... __________________ 007Tacoma is currently out of the forum and on vacation. If you would like to leave a message for 007, do so here: beep

11-05-2007, 11:26 AM	#15
rhoppas Northern Alliance Ally Joined: Aug 2007, #2564 Location: Topeka, KS Gender: Male Posts: 883 07 Double Cab V6 TRD Sport Tow 2007 Double Cab Automatic V6 Viper alarm, Hunter4x4 Bull Bar, 6" Pro Comp Off-Road lights, extra set of bed D-rings, Chrome exhaust tip, Metra Ipod/MP3 adapter, Garmin GPS, CarriageWorks grill, Maglite mounted to driver seat, 9" Stubbie Antenna, WeatherTech floor liners	Mine is about 1" off...

11-05-2007, 12:13 PM	#16
wormhole7 Senior Member Joined: May 2007, #1636 Location: Lake Dallas, Tx Gender: Male Posts: 277 TSS 2006 Double Cab Automatic 4.0 V6 Leather, Suspension TSB, 1.25in.spacers,Eaton Posi LSD,Grillcraft Black Mesh Grills,Aires Bull Bar,Black Low Profile Narrow Toybox,Black Headlight Mod,Black Tail lights ,USA Spec,Ipod, PopnLock,Bed Mat,Bug Sheild,Vent Visors, Weathertec Liners,Radar,Nuvi 760,Dog Ramp,Convex Mirrors, Roof Rack, Tint, Borla exhaust, Borla Intake, OBX pedals, Home Link Auto Dimming Mirror with remote, 20" Factory Wheels, Factory Tube Steps	Throw me in for 1/2 an inch. Never noticed until after I put on the bull bar and leveling spacers. I had a tape measure out checking after the leveling spacers, that's how I found it. That and the rear is also 1/2 inch lower than the front now. Don't notice the drivers side lean but the rear being lower is obvious to me. Got some 1 inch blocks for the rear and some timbren suspension helpers, but from what I've read I'm not too sure about putting the 1 inch blocks on and the timbren's won't help with height as far as I know. __________________ (Mark) Silver 06 TSS Dbl cab long bed. Prerunner 4.0L V6, tow. http://www.wormhole7.com/taco.html

11-05-2007, 12:23 PM	#17
FFJamison Junior Member Joined: Nov 2007, #3356 Posts: 3 '07 Tacoma PreRunner TRD Access Cab-speedway blue 2007 Access Cab Automatic ARB Winch Bumper, Mile Marker 9500, Daystar leveling kit	I wouldnt use the blocks, Im lookin at the Toytec 2'' add a leafs, shims, and carrier bearing drop to bring the rear up to match the front now.

11-05-2007, 12:36 PM	#18
sawdust Unapologetic Texan Joined: Sep 2007, #2802 Location: Frisco, TX Posts: 1,294 07 TRD Offroad Radiant Red V6 Auto DC 2007 Double Cab Automatic V6 Automatic Homelink mirror, tailgate lock, 2ndary air filter removal, Access LE tonneau, Bugflector II, hitch-based bed extender, vent visors, suspension TSB, stall mat	Are you eyeballing this height difference? Is there somewhere to measure it? Top of tire to bottom of fender? __________________

11-05-2007, 12:43 PM	#19
rhoppas Northern Alliance Ally Joined: Aug 2007, #2564 Location: Topeka, KS Gender: Male Posts: 883 07 Double Cab V6 TRD Sport Tow 2007 Double Cab Automatic V6 Viper alarm, Hunter4x4 Bull Bar, 6" Pro Comp Off-Road lights, extra set of bed D-rings, Chrome exhaust tip, Metra Ipod/MP3 adapter, Garmin GPS, CarriageWorks grill, Maglite mounted to driver seat, 9" Stubbie Antenna, WeatherTech floor liners	I can see mine leaning by just eyeballing it, especially after I added the bull bar. I measured from the fender opening, at its highest point, to the ground on each side.