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Old 12-12-2007, 08:27 PM   #21
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And I've been told that I can't run 33s with a 3" lift (by ppl in RL, not on this forum), so I thought I'd mention it. Actually, I'm glad to know that 33s are an option.... but not on stock rims?
You can put them on stock rims, but you'll need spacers.
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Cool! Thanks! Tires are the pricey part tho.....that'll be in the future. Can't decide what kind I want anyway. All the reviews are spinning in my head. I want somehting with some road song for sure tho. Oops, sorry, didn't mean to drag this post off topic....!
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i went with 33's instead of 32's because i think it feels up the wheel well a little better and i personally think the taller the better...... i loved mine at first, and still do, but now i want 35's
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bilstein 5100's on top notch with your rear leaf tsb. end of story
Only go 2nd or 3rd notch. I did mine at the 2nd and it sits 1/4" higher in the front with the tsb.
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get the lift your truck already has 32s i think 265s i put 33s on becaue i wanted the bigest tire i could if you get the tsb done dont do the back untill you see what it looks like just order the stuff for the front i went with spacers because of the price i bought new tires at the same time so money was limited that dicsion is up to you you still need the diff drop you wont need shims in the rear because you are not changing the angle i think i dont know to much about the 2nd gen trucks but this is my opion
The stock off-road tires are 31 inches and some change. I'm considering 32's cause i'm thnking about just a 2.5" lift for the front and nothing for the back since i already got a small lift from the TSB. I dont have to worry about 32's rubbing, plus they get slightly better mileage than the 33''s maybe not a whole lot but every little big counts. I was considering spacers till i realized that a set of two 5100's is not much more than the spacers.

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hey nd............just remember that a taller, thinner, not so wide tire will be better in the mud than a wide tire. and go for a revtek or toytec lift.
Actually i have read and heard multiple times that wider is much better than thinner in mud due to having more surface area. A thinner tire "cuts" down through the mud much easier. I've heard that surface area is actually more important than tread. All tread, no matter how rugged eventually gets filled with mud, essentially turning your tires into "slicks". Thats when having a wider tire is better than a thinner tire. Also, nobody has been able to tell me why 33s are so much better than 32's (aside from greenbean mentionion appearance if i lift it more)

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and if ur wanting to level it and dont wanna add anything else to the rear, just get a 2.5" lift in the front....get 3" and it'll look like u've got a lot of junk in ur trunk. i'm planning on going w/ a 255/75/17=32x10 come spring. bfg mud-terrain t/a km's btw...
Yah, thats why i'm thinking 5100's. That should level my truck without me needing to do anything in the rear. if i got 3 inch i would need blocks for the back.

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I just ordered the Toytec lift, and their tech department says that the AAL isn't an option if the TSB's been done because they won't fit, not to mention the rather solid ride one would get. The TSB swaps the existing 3-leaf for a 4-leaf pack. Stock, the back is already higher than the front, and from what I understand the TSB lifts the back another inch which makes the back 2" higher than the front. If you just lift the front, it will end up about an inch higher than the rear. The 3 inch lift has 1 and 1/2" block option for the rear which is what Toytec recommends if you've had the TSB done. Axel wrap isn't really an issue with such a short block--it isn't a problem unless you start going crazy or stacking blocks to get height. I'm still working out the tire question myself, so I can't really help any there. Dunno if any of this is what you are looking for, but there ya go...

Stock tires are 265/65/17 on mine which is like 30.5"; 265/70/17 is like 31.6" or so. 33s may or may not fit even with a 3" lift the front spaces are tight--Toytec's FAQ might be helpful to you. Or email them; they are very helpful and quick to email back (they say within 24 hrs on the website).
Thanks for the response Charli. Its nice to see a new member jump right in and start posting helpful stuff right off the bat. I think you're gonna fit in just fine here
yeah, my original plan was the 3" lift with the AAL. Then i got the TSB done and the AAL is no longer an option, and my back end sits higher. So a 2.5" lift should level it out without me having ot do anything to the back. I think the back is more than 2" higher than the front. it was higher to start off with and now with the TSB it got a little over a 1 inch lift. As far as blocks, i dont really know anything about them. I dont know what axle wrap is but i know its bad and blocks can cause it. So i'll avoid them if i can. Thanks for the response, it was very helpful.
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The question isn't if he can run 33's. It's why the extra inch of 33's over 32's is important or not.
exacytly, thank you Toy. I now i CAN run 33''s but dont know what the benefit is over 32's. Bean mentioned appearance but i want to know how it is better off-road. I'd rather not shave or rub so 32's will probably be fine for what what i do.

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Thats exactly what i'm thinking. I'll PM you to get some details about your setup if you dont mind. thanks rick.
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Sorry, was refering to the comment:



And I've been told that I can't run 33s with a 3" lift (by ppl in RL, not on this forum), so I thought I'd mention it. Actually, I'm glad to know that 33s are an option.... but not on stock rims?
yeah, you can run 33's with a 3" lift on stock rims. you may have some rubbing depending on the width
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Cool! Thanks! Tires are the pricey part tho.....that'll be in the future. Can't decide what kind I want anyway. All the reviews are spinning in my head. I want somehting with some road song for sure tho. Oops, sorry, didn't mean to drag this post off topic....!
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Only go 2nd or 3rd notch. I did mine at the 2nd and it sits 1/4" higher in the front with the tsb.
I'm not exactly sure what you mean. first of all i dont know what the notches are ont eh 5100's. is 3rd the highest? also, when you say 1/4" higher... doyou mean higher than stock or higher than the back end?
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Actually i have read and heard multiple times that wider is much better than thinner in mud due to having more surface area. A thinner tire "cuts" down through the mud much easier. I've heard that surface area is actually more important than tread. All tread, no matter how rugged eventually gets filled with mud, essentially turning your tires into "slicks". Thats when having a wider tire is better than a thinner tire. Also, nobody has been able to tell me why 33s are so much better than 32's (aside from greenbean mentionion appearance if i lift it more)
Ok ND,

To answer the question that you originally asked. What benefit does a 33 offer over a 32? (figured I'd re-cap incase anyone forgot)

A 33" diameter tire is 1 inch taller than a 32" diameter tire (assuming for a minute that we are talking about the same brand, and model, and that all tires really do measure to what they advertise.)

So if you center them up and lay one on top of the other you'll find that the 33" tire protrudes 1/2" all the way around as compared to the 32" tire.

That is going to be your one and only functional benefit. 1/2" more running ground clearance. In the real world, that may prevent a high center (though I suspect if you really were going to high center that a half inch won't help that much), and it may prevent your skid plate from taking a hit that it may otherwise have taken.

That said, I agree with your plan, of going with the TSB in back, and 5100's in the front, though I am curious about your plan to go with the diff drop. I remember being told when I planned to lift my 04 that I could go up to a 2 1/2" front lift before needing a diff drop, and that is what we are basically talking about here. Has the point at which the diff drop is necessary changed with the gen 2 trucks? Help me out here?
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Ok ND,

To answer the question that you originally asked. What benefit does a 33 offer over a 32? (figured I'd re-cap incase anyone forgot)

A 33" diameter tire is 1 inch taller than a 32" diameter tire (assuming for a minute that we are talking about the same brand, and model, and that all tires really do measure to what they advertise.)

So if you center them up and lay one on top of the other you'll find that the 33" tire protrudes 1/2" all the way around as compared to the 32" tire.

That is going to be your one and only functional benefit. 1/2" more running ground clearance. In the real world, that may prevent a high center (though I suspect if you really were going to high center that a half inch won't help that much), and it may prevent your skid plate from taking a hit that it may otherwise have taken.

That said, I agree with your plan, of going with the TSB in back, and 5100's in the front, though I am curious about your plan to go with the diff drop. I remember being told when I planned to lift my 04 that I could go up to a 2 1/2" front lift before needing a diff drop, and that is what we are basically talking about here. Has the point at which the diff drop is necessary changed with the gen 2 trucks? Help me out here?
Thanks for the response Mav. I was wondering if a 1" difference in the tires would equate to anything in terms of torque or anything technical liek that that i dont understand. I really think i'm gonna go with the 5100's up front and leave the back alone. Does anyone know if i could add a 1/2 inch or 1 inch spacer to the 5100's later on down the road if i wanted a little extra lift?

As far as the diff drop i'm not sure. I just assumed i woudl need it but if not then thats great! I have no idea at hwat point you need to compesate for the adjusted angles. guess i need to figure that out. I just want to do whatever i can to keep the lift from affecting my truck negatively.
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Thanks for the response Mav. I was wondering if a 1" difference in the tires would equate to anything in terms of torque or anything technical liek that that i dont understand. I really think i'm gonna go with the 5100's up front and leave the back alone. Does anyone know if i could add a 1/2 inch or 1 inch spacer to the 5100's later on down the road if i wanted a little extra lift?

As far as the diff drop i'm not sure. I just assumed i woudl need it but if not then thats great! I have no idea at hwat point you need to compesate for the adjusted angles. guess i need to figure that out. I just want to do whatever i can to keep the lift from affecting my truck negatively.
Ahh, see, I thought you asked for "benefit." As far as "differences" go, fuel mileage, and torque, they are both going to drop, because you will be turning more rotational weight, so it will take more energy to turn the 33" tire than the 32" tire, and that is energy that used to be uset to move the truck, and now it is moving the tire instead. If that makes any sense, though I am not sure how much of a decrease you'll see from a 32 to a 33. Your speedometer will also be off more, though I can never remember if it will be higher or lower when you increase tire size.

As to putting spacers in the 5100's I don't think you can do that, I seem to remember reading that in another thread somewhere, but I did not subscribe to it, so I can't seem to find it now.
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Axle wrap is "unwanted suspension movement that allows the pinion angle to change." Stacking blocks makes the problem worse due to instability. Any way, none of that matters since you aren't doing that anyway, but I'm a geek when it comes to information.

Thank you for the compliment!

Toytec is sort of non-commital on the diff drop stuff--they don't say its "required" just that its "a good addition" (their words), but they also don't specify what height lift its "a good addition" to. I'm not gonna say anything more than that since I really don't have any idea whether it's at all necessary with the 2.5" front lift.

The 5100's and leave the back alone sounds good to me--it's not like you couldn't do something to the back later if you don't like it, but I also don't know why you wouldn't like it since it's pretty much gonna put you level.
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Thanks for the continued response evreryone. Now i guess the big question is... do i need hte diff drop kit with the bill 5100's? Does anybody know?
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Cool! Thanks! Tires are the pricey part tho.....that'll be in the future. Can't decide what kind I want anyway. All the reviews are spinning in my head. I want somehting with some road song for sure tho. Oops, sorry, didn't mean to drag this post off topic....!
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As far as the diff drop i'm not sure. I just assumed i woudl need it but if not then thats great! I have no idea at hwat point you need to compesate for the adjusted angles. guess i need to figure that out. I just want to do whatever i can to keep the lift from affecting my truck negatively.
you need the drop after 2in i think you want it to keep from wearing out the front end
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i went with 33's instead of 32's because i think it feels up the wheel well a little better and i personally think the taller the better...... i loved mine at first, and still do, but now i want 35's
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hey nd............just remember that a taller, thinner, not so wide tire will be better in the mud than a wide tire. and go for a revtek or toytec lift.
i have herd this before also
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is the diff drop just for 4x4?
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Correct.

The diff drop lowers the front diff so that the front driveshafts still remain more in-line with the hubs to reduce stress on the CV joints.

Pre-runners or solid axle swap guys don't have to worry about this.
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Thanks greenbean! I looked 'em up, and they look good, but ouchie! on the price!
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