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Old 08-07-2009, 01:22 PM   #1
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Can you use E-85 fuel in a super charged tacoma?
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Old 08-07-2009, 01:50 PM   #4
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E85 vehicles require special injectors, fuel rails, modules, and a myriad of other items to work. Your Tacoma is not designed to run on E85, but if you need higher octane (one of the benefits of E85) you will need to run high octane unleaded.
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if you put E-85 in, you might as well put in Diesel
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Yes you can. Have to replace the injectors, get the x-1, fuel pump, and run a special map. Contact APR or URD for more info.
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Old 08-07-2009, 02:12 PM   #7
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Yes you can. Have to replace the injectors, get the x-1, fuel pump, and run a special map. Contact APR or URD for more info.
I know E85 requires high volume components to flow properly, are the Tacoma injector rails big enough? Or do you just need bigger injectors?
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I know E85 requires high volume components to flow properly, are the Tacoma injector rails big enough? Or do you just need bigger injectors?
when you put on the trd charger you get the up graded injectors so i wanted to know cause i know some high performance cars you can use e-85
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e85 holds a lot of performance potential.

APR is working on e85 kits for the 1GR motor. I plan on switching over in the near future.. looking forward to 20-30hp in gains on my truck
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I don't trust everything on Wikipedia, but here is their page on E85 in standard engines. Maybe the info will be useful, but I would back it up with other sources to confirm the info.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E85_in_standard_engines
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my shitty 2.2L 4cyl s-10 was e85 compatable and it was a 2000. i think i'll keep running premium and save my mileage
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e85 holds a lot of performance potential.

APR is working on e85 kits for the 1GR motor. I plan on switching over in the near future.. looking forward to 20-30hp in gains on my truck
Thats what I was thinking
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Here is what the dealer said You will still not be able to run E-85 fuel. E-85 is a very corrosive fuel that your fuel lines and components cannot sustain. It is suggested to run premium unleaded when it has a supercharger.
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everyone realizes that they will get 25% LESS mileage than w/ gasoline right? E85 (85%ethanol/15%gas) has 25% LESS BTUs that gas (90%gas/10%ethanol).

just something to consider. watch the price differential, i might make sense to some, but i know when i did a research paper on it, it was a bunch of crap the government wanted you to buy into...
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E85 is corrosive but so is gasoline. Ethanol companies are required by law to add anti-corrosion additives to the fuel. I have been converting fuel injected cars to flex for a few years. Vehicle parts do not have to be changed and your injectors can handle it. In fact E85 will actually make vehicle parts last longer because it is a cooler, cleaner burning fuel. A supercharged Tacoma would love E85 as there would be a nice HP increase. All you need to do is install a conversion kit. Contrary to what people believe E85 is a superior fuel as far as Octane rating, Cleaner burning, and exceptional combustion properties. Not to mention it supports American families. - Jonnyenergy
what about mpgs jonnyenergy? what are the real life before/after ratings? what is the price differential between regular gas and E85 per gallon?

also, how much are we talking to convert a tacoma to be able to handle E85?
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Here is the same info that I just sent another member who PM'd be about performance gains for e85.

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e85 runs a 105 octane (in most cases). higher octane allows you to take better advantage of spark timing. You tune spark timing to get your peak combustion pressure at about 15° after TDC. That is optimal for performance. In most cases you have to retard timing to prevent pre-ignition, pushing peak combustion pressure farther into the combustion stroke.

e85 also contains methonal, and in my case (TRD Supercharger + 7th injector), the e85 spraying out the 7th (located behind the throttle body) will act as a methonal kit, cooling the intake charge, and will use the fuel vaporization effect on the blower to cool the blower and compressed air even more. This will not only keep the air charge temp down, but also increase the efficiency of the the blower.

That's basically it in a nutshell.. lol
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I really wasn't here to promote my business but to join the conversation. Since you asked E85 in the midwest is around 20% less than regular gas. That being said it should be noted that E85 shouldn't be compared to regular because it is a Superior fuel. E85 is a cleaner, cooler burning fuel with an octane rating around 100. Engine parts will actually last longer because of the characteristics of E85. Users of my kits experience an average of 15% loss of MPGs using E85. This varies from vehicle to vehicle and also depends on driving habits. The pricing for my kits are $199 for a 4 Cylinder, $249 for a 6, and $269 for an 8. Right now I have a special going on for $40 off also. -JonnyEnergy
i really dont see how it is a "superior" fuel?

yes it has a higher octane rating, but that will only be an advantage to those higher compression engines that actually need this type of fuel...it will have absolutely no advantage to a car designed to run 87 octane gas. yes it burns cleaner, you got me there.

BUT...a 15% loss in mileage proves my previous post. out here in socal, there are very few stations and the spread is about the same at 18-20%. with my vehicle getting 20 mpgs, gas at $3.00/gal, E85 at $2.40/gal, i will have to drive over 23000 miles for the gas savings to pay just for your kit w/ the current special!

its an interesting idea, but unless your a tree loving hippie, it really isnt practicle.

now...i would love to get a diesel and make my own fuel out of old restaurant oil, but that is besides the point!!
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what happened to jonnyenergy?!
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i really dont see how it is a "superior" fuel?

yes it has a higher octane rating, but that will only be an advantage to those higher compression engines that actually need this type of fuel...it will have absolutely no advantage to a car designed to run 87 octane gas. yes it burns cleaner, you got me there.

BUT...a 15% loss in mileage proves my previous post. out here in socal, there are very few stations and the spread is about the same at 18-20%. with my vehicle getting 20 mpgs, gas at $3.00/gal, E85 at $2.40/gal, i will have to drive over 23000 miles for the gas savings to pay just for your kit w/ the current special!

its an interesting idea, but unless your a tree loving hippie, it really isnt practicle.

now...i would love to get a diesel and make my own fuel out of old restaurant oil, but that is besides the point!!
Any vehicle can take advantage of e85's performance (if you have the tools). A vehicle designed for 87 fuel is set that way because of spark timing and SCR (static compression ratio). 87 is not performance friendly. NOW, if you had a way to tune the motor, you could take advantage of that higher octane (in terms of power performance).

The MPG loss... yes, that is a down side to it. But if your paying 30% for gasoline then e85, then you could switch and save money.

I wouldn't run e85 if you care about MPG... but for power.. mmmm....
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No E85 stations around me so it wouldn't matter to me one way or the other if I could use it.
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