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Old 02-11-2010, 12:14 PM   #41
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pics of the trim? Can you see it while the part is on the truck?
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Are the 09's and above affected? Seems like only 05-06 have noticed the issue.
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I have an 09 and have water on my pass floor mat when it rains. Going to make an appointment with toyota next week and get it fixed
I haven't noticed any water in my '09 either when I wash it or with heavy rain. If there is a TSB for this I'd like to see the document before going to the dealer to complain.

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pics of the trim? Can you see it while the part is on the truck?
I'll try to take a pic and post it soon again.

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I haven't noticed any water in my '09 either when I wash it or with heavy rain. If there is a TSB for this I'd like to see the document before going to the dealer to complain.

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When I went to Toyota, Scott (Service Director at Kearny Mesa Toyota in San Diego, Ca) said there was No TSB on a failing cowl or any of its parts.
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I'll try to take a pic and post it soon again.



When I went to Toyota, Scott (Service Director at Kearny Mesa Toyota in San Diego, Ca) said there was No TSB on a failing cowl or any of its parts.
Oh okay. Thanks for clarifying.
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hope know one takes this the wrong way. But, to me, it seems like the 2nd gen tacos have experienced more problems then the 1st gen's

I am a 1st gen owner, and I am aware of the frame issue.

but my goal is to buy a 2nd gen one day when I can afford it but all this makes me think twice about a 2nd gen..
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hope know one takes this the wrong way. But, to me, it seems like the 2nd gen tacos have experienced more problems then the 1st gen's

I am a 1st gen owner, and I am aware of the frame issue.

but my goal is to buy a 2nd gen one day when I can afford it but all this makes me think twice about a 2nd gen..
Yes but after considering GM and Ford they still are better
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YAAAAAHHH! You guys are scaring me. I traded a primo '96 Tacoma for my '09. I also own an '08 FJ. I really hope I didn't make a mistake. There's already enough stuff that I miss about the '96. (it never went to a dealer for anything other than the head gasket TSB and it probably didn't need that).
The two issues I had(rear leaf springs, transmission shift logic) were taken care of with TSBs and I can gladly say I have had no major complaints whatsoever. I love getting in and driving my truck. I can't say the same about my '08 Accord.
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Yes but after considering GM and Ford they still are better
I agree with you %100 on that one.

My last truck was a 2003 s10. truck gave me problems after 40,000 miles!! computer issues. truck would randomly shut off, cheap ass door panels. power windows went out three times !!!!! door hinges went bad at 60,000 miles!!

I will probly never buy a GM again.

although I do like the new silverado and f-150's. But how much better do you think the newer GM's and fords really are?? My uncle had a 97 f150. had nothing but problems

however, I have had my tacoma for only two weeks. I love it so far
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I haven't noticed any water in my '09 either when I wash it or with heavy rain. If there is a TSB for this I'd like to see the document before going to the dealer to complain.

Any sources?
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The only other TSB for water leaking I think only applied to the '05 (BO004-05 APR 05 Body - Water Leaks Onto Front Floor). This TSB, however, had to do with a bad seam in the firewall/cowl area. They tested mine for this when mine leaked like the OP's, but there were no problems. That's when we determined it was a fluke (and it was in my case). Others have had this same problem when debris gets between the glass and the cowl, so I always pull out any leaves when I see them getting in between.
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my windshield also cracked and my bottom seal is all loose.

Haven't noticed water getting in but I'll double check for sure!!!
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Ticking engines, rotting frames, sticking pedals, bad weather stripping, werid tranmissions, faulty oil pumps.... I am starting to feel like I expected too much form toyota.
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Ticking engines, rotting frames, sticking pedals, bad weather stripping, werid tranmissions, faulty oil pumps.... I am starting to feel like I expected too much form toyota.
Your truck has all those problems??

Sorry to hear that...
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Your truck has all those problems??

Sorry to hear that...
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I've been wanting to clarify something here for a bit as I've now ready the entire thread.

OP, you really only noticed the water getting in after you had your windshield replaced correct? You've owned the car for a number of years and only now notice the problem. And unless you live in death valley, you've had rain and probably washed your car since 2006.

Now I've never replaced a windshield on a Tacoma myself (probably never will) but I'd suspect that the cowl covers part of the windshield base and needs to be removed in order to replace the glass. Is that right?

So lets go through the steps...
1)Windshield replacement
2)Cowl taken off
3)???
4LEAK!!!

I don't think it's too far fetched to conclude there was a possibility that the guy installing the windshield may have reinstalled it incorrectly.
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I'd suspect that the cowl covers part of the windshield base and needs to be removed in order to replace the glass. Is that right?

So lets go through the steps...
1)Windshield replacement
2)Cowl taken off
3)???
4LEAK!!!

I don't think it's too far fetched to conclude there was a possibility that the guy installing the windshield may have reinstalled it incorrectly.
The problem with mine was in this order...
1) Trim (molding) was coming undone on the top half of the cowl. It would flap in the wind on freeways. I had no leaks! The area affected was on the driver's side.
2) Windshield cracked - Still no leaks.
3) Windshield replaced - At this point my installer removed the trim and said it was strictly cosmetics (he referenced his experience to GMC's). He did not remove the cowl as that requires removing the wipers which he did not. The glass does NOT rest on the cowl. The cowl is on the very bottom edge of the windshield and has nothing to do with the seal (adhesive) that is used to secure the window to the body of the taco.

4) Noticed my first leak well after a month of installment. The only difference here is that my trim is not on. To be technical, water is not leaking from the seal of the window to the inside of the truck. Water is dripping off the windshield into that compartment that I pictured. Why it didn't leak earlier I don't know. Perhaps it did and the Cabin Air filter absorbed it until it could hold no more. That's when I noticed the leak. The smell was there before.


The cowl I have on my truck now is the one that came from the junk yard. I could have taken the seal, molding or trim (whatever you want to call it) off that one and placed it on mine but didn't want to risk damaging the trim. Here is a picture of it.

See attachments. Please keep in mind that the trim piece was relatively secured on the passenger side which is where that compartment is.
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I may be old but I remember when a big quality issue to get really pissed about was the engine blowing a head gasket at 40,000 miles.

Life is not perfect, we are not perfect. You have an issue, we deal with it and stop threatening to stop buying the product with the assumption that someone is making it better elsewhere.

Every manufacturer has some issues. Show me one that you can afford and that doesn't have some issue.
Exactly!! I think everyone is overreacting.

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3) Windshield replaced - At this point my installer removed the trim and said it was strictly cosmetics (he referenced his experience to GMC's). He did not remove the cowl as that requires removing the wipers which he did not. The glass does NOT rest on the cowl. The cowl is on the very bottom edge of the windshield and has nothing to do with the seal (adhesive) that is used to secure the window to the body of the taco.
x2. The adhesive is above where the cowl just rests against the glass. When replacing the windshield, the old glass just slides up and out while the new glass slides under then they press it down against the adhesive. Just had my windshield replaced and watched them do the whole thing and even commented to them about my surprise that they didn't need to remove the cowl. He's replaced a lot of Tacoma windshields (the adhesive seal anyway) as part of the windshield buzz.
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Clearly the cowl seal was disturbed when the windshield was installed. It may not have looked damaged, but it didn't seal to the glass anymore.

It sounds to me like a light coat of clear sealant on the lip of the seal should have fixed this.
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Ok I just got my blower frozen due to water buildup. Apparently there was so much water that when it froze it stuck my blower. Anybody have a link to instruction how to remove that stupid cowl, I dont want to break it.
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