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Old 07-10-2012, 08:47 AM   #41
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Oh I've never had a dry flow so I didnt know what the pros/cons there are too them.
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Oh I've never had a dry flow so I didnt know what the pros/cons there are too them.
Then it might not be a good idea to suggest it.

I honestly don't see what's wrong with a Toyota filter, the one that was designed best for the vehicle.
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Doesn't the oil gunk up your MAFS?
Sure, if you overspray the hell out of it til it's dripping. When done properly, no.
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Then it might not be a good idea to suggest it.

I honestly don't see what's wrong with a Toyota filter, the one that was designed best for the vehicle.
Well it was just a suggestion. I didn't know about the dirt getting in my bad.
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Sure, if you overspray the hell out of it til it's dripping. When done properly, no.
Some people do get over zealous with this, true.

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Well it was just a suggestion. I didn't know about the dirt getting in my bad.
Well that's how we learn here. From each other!
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And the toyota filter is like. Cardboard? Right or wrong? Best thing to do IMHO is drop in a K&N drop in filter in the stock setup.cause that charcoal filter may be restricting but it's a damn good filter at keeping moisture and contaminants out.
I plan on snorkeling mine but that's just cause ive always wanted to it lol
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And the toyota filter is like. Cardboard? Right or wrong?
Sir, I assure you it's the finest paper air filter material that can be had IN THAILAND, lol........... IMO the oem snorkel in the fender well and the oem filter box setup do plenty to keep moisture out with or without the charcoal maxi pad as long as the opening in the fender well is above water line...the K&N with the gap between the hood and fender right where the filter sits and at hwy speed in the rain, not so much maybe. Even with the prefilter on the K&N cone.
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Sir, I assure you it's the finest paper air filter material that can be had IN THAILAND, lol...........
which is why i say replace that with a drop-in and call it a day!
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which is why i say replace that with a drop-in and call it a day!
More dirt in your engine FTW!!!!
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More dirt in your engine FTW!!!!
You think a K&N drop in air filter performs WORSE than the stock paper one?????
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You think a K&N drop in air filter performs WORSE than the stock paper one?????
Any non paper filter has larger openings to allow for more air flow. Oiled or not, these larger openings allow more dirt to pass through. Paper filters the best and is not as restrictive as everyone thinks. You might get .02 horsepower buy switching to a K&N or AFE filter. Totally worth the $50 to 70.

^^^^Not fighting, just facts. Everyone thinks an aftermarket filter is so awesome and it gives 45789475643987235769 horsepower and 20 mpgs.
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Any non paper filter has larger openings to allow for more air flow. Oiled or not, these larger openings allow more dirt to pass through. Paper filters the best and is not as restrictive as everyone thinks. You might get .02 horsepower buy switching to a K&N or AFE filter. Totally worth the $50 to 70.

^^^^Not fighting, just facts. Everyone thinks an aftermarket filter is so awesome and it gives 45789475643987235769 horsepower and 20 mpgs.
Ah makes sense. Guess that's why they always say stock is the best setup
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Who are "they"? The aftermarket ones have their place....not in dusty muddy environments and not left neglected as long as you can paper. My car has had a K&N all it's life. It is a pavement machine and it gets driven mostly in an urban are with large expanses of cement and grassy lawns. The oil stays as clean and nice as the truck with oem filter and intake and it is prerunner so same driving environment. If I had 4wd and/or lived in rural environment or desert where there would be much more dust/dirt around, I would stay stock with paper filter. Just like everything else, it has it's place and one thing doesn't fit every need. Track vehicles no runny z papuh eh? Keeping things in perspective is never detrimental..............
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that is why they need to make foam filters for are trucks
I ran a foam filter wrap on the 1982 prerunner with weber carb. Worked great in all conditions. Easy to pull off and clean without filter even needing cleaning.
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You think a K&N drop in air filter performs WORSE than the stock paper one?????
Define "performs"???

If you are talking about airflow, yes, the oiled cotton gauze (K&N) will outperform the paper filter.

If you are talking about filtering ability, no, the paper filter will outperform the oiled cotton gauze (K&N).

If you are talking about $$/year for an air filter, the oiled cotton gauze (K&N) will outperform the paper filter,,, but only after 5 years or so.

Filtering vs. Flow vs. $$$,,, it's a trade-off, you don't get 'em all.
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Who are "they"? The aftermarket ones have their place....not in dusty muddy environments and not left neglected as long as you can paper. My car has had a K&N all it's life. It is a pavement machine and it gets driven mostly in an urban are with large expanses of cement and grassy lawns. The oil stays as clean and nice as the truck with oem filter and intake and it is prerunner so same driving environment. If I had 4wd and/or lived in rural environment or desert where there would be much more dust/dirt around, I would stay stock with paper filter. Just like everything else, it has it's place and one thing doesn't fit every need. Track vehicles no runny z papuh eh? Keeping things in perspective is never detrimental..............
"The oil stays clean...", do you have some oil analysis results to back that up? From the research I've done, any vehicle running an oiled cotton gauze filter shows increased levels of silica in the oil.
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"The oil stays clean...", do you have some oil analysis results to back that up? From the research I've done, any vehicle running an oiled cotton gauze filter shows increased levels of silica in the oil.
OK, NO! Other than it is the same clear color and consistency to the touch as it was out of the bottle new and I have never blown a motor in 36 yrs of tinkering with my rides so it might have but was not enough to matter. And if you don't go a yr without changing it, seems to me whatever silica in the oil goes out the drain hole.

And, if you start out using the vehicle in an environment conducive to lots of silica floating around to be sucked up into the intake then stay with paper.
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