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Old 08-16-2012, 07:25 PM   #61
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I've never owned a vehicle with a diesel but I've heard they take a while to warm up and since I live in Minnesota and work is five minutes away a diesel seems impractical.I wish Toyota made a version of the Eco-boost.One way I think they will increase gas mileage is to use more aluminum and plastic body panels.
The warm up differences between a similar sized gasoline engine and a diesel engine is maybe a minute. Not really an issue.
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I've never owned a vehicle with a diesel but I've heard they take a while to warm up and since I live in Minnesota and work is five minutes away a diesel seems impractical.I wish Toyota made a version of the Eco-boost.One way I think they will increase gas mileage is to use more aluminum and plastic body panels.
Well your gas engine isn't warming up that fast either...

That is unless you let it idle for 5 minutes or so before leaving during the summer.
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Old 08-17-2012, 07:07 PM   #63
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Well your gas engine isn't warming up that fast either...

That is unless you let it idle for 5 minutes or so before leaving during the summer.
In the summer I just get in and go and shut it off as soon as I get to work.I know this is hard on the engine so I change the oil every 2500 miles.In the winter I let it idle for about five minutes while I clean off any ice or snow.This is also bad but the truck stays outside and my parking spot is usually buried.
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In the summer I just get in and go and shut it off as soon as I get to work.I know this is hard on the engine so I change the oil every 2500 miles.In the winter I let it idle for about five minutes while I clean off any ice or snow.This is also bad but the truck stays outside and my parking spot is usually buried.
Yeah it's hard on it but what are you going to do? That's why you buy a toyota, so you don't have to worry about hurting it too much
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Yeah it's hard on it but what are you going to do? That's why you buy a toyota, so you don't have to worry about hurting it too much
I've thought about taking the scenic route but it seems like I'm trading one type of abuse for another as the additional miles will hurt if I trade the truck in.Which I may do when the third generation comes out.I love Tacoma's but there has to be a way to get four cylinder fuel economy out of the V-6.
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IMO, the V6 is just not a very economy-minded design. Whatever it is, all I know is my wife's 2005 4Runner has the 4.7L V8, is a little heavier than my 2012 Tacoma, is all time 4-wheel drive, sits just as high as my truck, has a 500 lb. higher towing capacity than my truck, will flat out spank my truck in acceleration, and still gets the same 17 mpg as I do. I would kill to have that engine in my truck.
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My guess is that the weight is probably the major factor. I just sold a Suzuki Sidekick that got 33 mpg, but still had offroad capabilities competitive with a stock Tacoma.
A stock tacoma does better offroad but a sidekick holds its own stock as well.
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IMO, the V6 is just not a very economy-minded design. Whatever it is, all I know is my wife's 2005 4Runner has the 4.7L V8, is a little heavier than my 2012 Tacoma, is all time 4-wheel drive, sits just as high as my truck, has a 500 lb. higher towing capacity than my truck, will flat out spank my truck in acceleration, and still gets the same 17 mpg as I do. I would kill to have that engine in my truck.
My wifes 08 4Runner has the 4.0 V6, is also way faster than my Tacoma (still stock, no mods at all) but it gets 22.5mpg.
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Worst thing I ever did was trade my '07 standard cab 2.7, 5 speed for the about the same thing (an '11 though and not an SR5) with the 4 speed automatic. Did it so my wife would drive it...Also, I never was crazy about the clutch engagement feel on the 5 speed.
My mileage dropped, and with a 200 lb. topper on it, my acceleration was fairly poor, too. I didn't buy a truck to race around on the pavement, but highway passing was kind difficult with the automatic.
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For all you butt-nutters posting the "I bought a midsized truck and didn't get 30mpg" pictures, I wasn't complaining I was simply asking a legitimate question to generate some discussion. There's SUVs out there with bigger engines and bigger bodies making what I make (and sometimes more) so I personally think it begs the question. Plus, this is the year 2012 and I figured technology would be on our side for this one :/
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.... valid question.

I know we "lose" when it comes to mpg compared to cars like the Camry... but why? Is it the weight? Aerodynamics? Gearing? We've got Rav4's and CR-V's that get better mileage than us and are considered "SUV" (more or less), so at what point does the BASEST of the BASE 4 cylinder Tacoma kiss 30mpgs goodbye?
You can, its called a 5-lug and driving habits.
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There's SUVs out there with bigger engines and bigger bodies making what I make (and sometimes more) so I personally think it begs the question. Plus, this is the year 2012 and I figured technology would be on our side for this one :/
In part, you're comparing your actual numbers to EPA or marketing numbers... or God forbid... numbers thrown out on an internet forum that really have little basis in reality.

That's why we have Fuelly, and a couple of threads here with active participation of how to drive more efficiently, and sharing actual numbers.

I see it time and again on forums. People bragging about "##mpg", and it's obvious to someone familiar with the vehicle, that they took their best tank out of the last 10 and said "that's what I get".

It's not always out of deceit... we simply remember our extremes. I'm guilty of it too. I was throwing out "I get 26mpg, but on a road trip at 80mph I only got 22"
I joined Fuelly, and the truth is, I average close to 25. I get a few tanks near 26, and an occasional tank down in the 23 range.
But I remembered my best tanks and my worst tanks.

This was a HUGE thing on the Diesel forums. Guys were reporting incredible numbers that there was no way they were getting consistently (and the worst offenders were the Ford guys trying to show how the Powerstroke was better than the Duramax).


Trucks are a brick in the wind. "Larger" SUVs don't always translate to heavier, and they would be more aerodynamic, so they will hold better MPG at highway speeds, where the pickups get their best economy in the 60mph range.
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What larger SUVs get better mileage?
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What larger SUVs get better mileage?
My friends Chevy Equinox got 30mpg consistently and as much as 33.
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My friends Chevy Equinox got 30mpg consistently and as much as 33.
That's not a bigger vehicle. It is a small front drive SUV with a 4 banger similar to the CRV, Rav4, Tuscon.
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That's not a bigger vehicle. It is a small front drive SUV with a 4 banger similar to the CRV, Rav4, Tuscon.
Next to my little pickup it's bigger. Front wheel drive, yes. Would that have a lot to do with it?
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Next to my little pickup it's bigger. Front wheel drive, yes. Would that have a lot to do with it?
Those are geared toward moving people and some groceries. There is no frame, the 4 banger isn't made for torque and yes the front drive helps efficiency. A 4 banger regular cab Taco is lighter but it is made for hauling and towing. The drivetrain is geared for that.

Trucks are not made to be super efficient.
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What larger SUVs get better mileage?
The 4Runner for one

Aside from that, i'm not sure what Nissan's Pathfinder the Exploder or Chevy's comparable get (Terrain maybe?).
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