3rz Bang-for-Buck Exhaust build help

sachou · 10-21-2009, 10:19 PM

I've owned my 2.7l for a month now, using as a daily driver, and vacation toy. I've driven from west Washington to Montana, and have been slightly disappointed with the lack of power on the freeways.

My exhaust manifold is cracked. I'm on a relatively small budget, and need to replace the thing soon. My friend just recommended I replace the manifold with an OEM cast iron one and worry about mods when I have more money, but I really hate to replace a part with OEM if there's aftermarket.

I've narrowed it down to 3 choices:
NWOR - http://www.northwestoffroad.com/parts/triheaders.html
Doug Thorley - http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DTE-506-C/
Pacesetter - http://www.racepages.com/products/?N...yota&md=Tacoma

It seems that the DT's are the ones to get, but at $380 they seem pricey. I wanted to get the tri-y's from NWOR, but they aren't ceramic and don't even post a price on their site! From what I've heard, pacesetters are crap, but at $150, that's only about $20 more than a crap iron manifold!

What I want to know is:
Will a header twice the cost of the pacesetters give me twice the hp gains?
Are the pacesetters so crappy that they're worse than dorman OEM manifolds?
Should I get a new muffler (dynomax or magnaflow prolly) to really notice the gains?
Anybody have an NWOR header? How much did it run you?

sachou · 10-23-2009, 09:38 AM

bump.

sachou · 10-26-2009, 09:50 PM

Bump.

I might just buy the pacesetters if nobody tries to stop me

uood8 · 10-27-2009, 05:42 AM

the pacesetter will be falling apart in no time. cheap thin steel....hello rust.

chris4x4 · 10-27-2009, 05:42 AM

Nwor.

98tacoma27 · 10-27-2009, 05:51 AM

Nwor

beastlytaco · 10-27-2009, 12:27 PM

i thought doug thorley makes the better system dont they make tri ys? or is that only for the 2TR?

and you sont need a new muffler right now. it would be better for sound and performance if you had one. but id jsut worry about getting your header fixed. the header willl also give you an aded boost of high end power and low end torques. so it just changes your power band around

chris4x4 · 10-27-2009, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beastlytaco

i thought doug thorley makes the better system dont they make tri ys? or is that only for the 2TR?

and you sont need a new muffler right now. it would be better for sound and performance if you had one. but id jsut worry about getting your header fixed. the header willl also give you an aded boost of high end power and low end torques. so it just changes your power band around

I havent tried the Dough Thorley Try Y header.....I know the NWOR header gave some pretty dam good gains.

zidaro · 10-27-2009, 02:56 PM

Ive had DT headers in the past and thought they sucked, welds broke, flanges not true.
Ive been running LC Engineering headers on 22re's for years and had no trouble with them- beat the hell outta my truck and the header held up.
I now have LCE 3rz header and it is a beautiful piece and seems (professional seat of pants review) to give good low end torque and lets the engine pull into higher rpm's as well. Fit was dead on and I have uber confidence that it is not going to fall apart.
Buy a 2.25 cat-back later, it will help to release some power but first get your truck running.

vtragweed · 10-27-2009, 04:26 PM

i have the dt headers, no problems, i got the ceramic coated set easy as hell to install and gave decent gains

sachou · 10-28-2009, 01:28 PM

Just called Northwest Offroad Specialties...$520 for the headers!

WAY out of my price range.

They only have a few left and they're discontinuing them after they run out.

Just thought you guys should know, if you've been thinking about them like I have.

DanGer · 10-28-2009, 01:32 PM

Honestly I would not buy my Doug thorely longtubes again. They do add a little power high end but they lost a little low end. After VT ragweed and I installed them, I stalled my manual three times the first week they were on until I readjusted to the powerband changes

sachou · 10-28-2009, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dgerm

Honestly I would not buy my Doug thorely longtubes again. They do add a little power high end but they lost a little low end. After VT ragweed and I installed them, I stalled my manual three times the first week they were on until I readjusted to the powerband changes

Ever since my third roommate moved out, and I ran into that rock and needed new leafs, I don't have the money to afford the NWORs...

I'm up against DT or LC, but maybe I should wait so I can actually pay rent this month...

chris4x4 · 10-28-2009, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sachou

Just called Northwest Offroad Specialties...$520 for the headers!

WAY out of my price range.

They only have a few left and they're discontinuing them after they run out.

Just thought you guys should know, if you've been thinking about them like I have.

WHOLEY SHIOT! I got mine from them for $358.00....shipped.

sachou · 11-06-2009, 09:54 AM

Just ordered a set of Doug Thorley Ceramic Tri-Y's from TRDParts4U!

I was really considering the LC's, but I heard the crimped merge collector was kind of lame...

I really considered your input dgerm, but I'm getting the tri-y's, so low-mid power should be much better than the longtubes...plus, the guy at TRDParts4U hooked me up with a really good deal.

Thanks for all your help, TW!

darkturtleninja · 11-07-2009, 07:11 PM

my truck had a cracked manifold when i got it... 6 months later my replacement from autozone is cracked in pretty much the same place... i give up.... ill be going with headers soon

sachou · 11-07-2009, 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkturtleninja

my truck had a cracked manifold when i got it... 6 months later my replacement from autozone is cracked in pretty much the same place... i give up.... ill be going with headers soon

HAH! My best friend is the one who told me to just get a replacement manifold instead of headers, and she works at autozone, too.

If you want the tri-y's I got, you're going to have to email info@trdparts4u.com or call them.

They don't have them listed on the website, but they're definitely cheaper than any other Doug Thorley distributor, or LCE, and they're the only DT Tri-y's I've found on the net.

da0023 · 11-09-2009, 02:14 PM

You can get an LC Engineering header setup for $369. Check this out http://www.toyotacatalog.net/M1WebGe...6-14E0E816A140

sachou · 11-14-2009, 09:55 AM

So I got my Doug Thorley Tri-y's in the mail yesterday. They look pretty decent, but it looks like they are the chrome headers, and not the ceramics I ordered.

The part # I ordered was THY-506Y-1-C, "C" meaning ceramic.

It has that number on the box, but on the headers, it only says 506Y-1, and they look pretty chrome to me, but I've never had headers before.

Can anyone here tell by looking?

numbah57 · 11-16-2009, 07:39 PM

chormey chrome chrome...frikkin sick though, let me know if you dont want them. ill be glad to take them off your hands...aloha

10-21-2009, 10:19 PM	#1
sachou Senior Member Name: Sam Joined: Sep 2009, #23554 Location: Richland, Washington Gender: Male Posts: 315 1999 4WD 5spd 3RZ 2.7L Ext. Cab 1999 Access Cab Manual 3RZ, Downey CAI, TRD TBS, Xlerator Turbo Muffler Allpro Front Bumper, Badlands Rear Bumper, Warn M8000 Winch, Warn Manual Hubs, 2.5" Sway Away Racerunner Coilovers, Alcan Add-a-leafs.	3rz Bang-for-Buck Exhaust build help I've owned my 2.7l for a month now, using as a daily driver, and vacation toy. I've driven from west Washington to Montana, and have been slightly disappointed with the lack of power on the freeways. My exhaust manifold is cracked. I'm on a relatively small budget, and need to replace the thing soon. My friend just recommended I replace the manifold with an OEM cast iron one and worry about mods when I have more money, but I really hate to replace a part with OEM if there's aftermarket. I've narrowed it down to 3 choices: NWOR - http://www.northwestoffroad.com/parts/triheaders.html Doug Thorley - http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DTE-506-C/ Pacesetter - http://www.racepages.com/products/?N...yota&md=Tacoma It seems that the DT's are the ones to get, but at $380 they seem pricey. I wanted to get the tri-y's from NWOR, but they aren't ceramic and don't even post a price on their site! From what I've heard, pacesetters are crap, but at $150, that's only about $20 more than a crap iron manifold! What I want to know is: Will a header twice the cost of the pacesetters give me twice the hp gains? Are the pacesetters so crappy that they're worse than dorman OEM manifolds? Should I get a new muffler (dynomax or magnaflow prolly) to really notice the gains? Anybody have an NWOR header? How much did it run you?

10-27-2009, 05:42 AM	#5
chris4x4 Watching Ed Live vicariously through mjp2 Name: FlimFlubberJAM Joined: May 2008, #6497 Location: Arizona Gender: Male Posts: 46,824 2007 PreRunner 2007 Double Cab Automatic 1GR-FE (4.0 V6) OME 885's, OME n140s front shocks, Total Chaos UCA's, TSB springs with AAL, 5100 rear shocks, custom built fuel tank skid plate, TRD exhaust.	Nwor. __________________ Release the Cracken!

10-27-2009, 12:27 PM	#7
beastlytaco "where the hell are my keys?" Name: Ian Joined: Jun 2008, #7660 Location: North Carolina Gender: Dude Posts: 4,111 08 tacoma standard cab 2008 Regular Cab Automatic 2.7L 4 banger 15% tinted back window, 25% on sides. Jardine catback exhaust system. horn modification, AFE pro dry S filter and secondary filter removed. All weather toyota tacoma mats. NRA sticker mod. Rims this year. along with tires	i thought doug thorley makes the better system dont they make tri ys? or is that only for the 2TR? and you sont need a new muffler right now. it would be better for sound and performance if you had one. but id jsut worry about getting your header fixed. the header willl also give you an aded boost of high end power and low end torques. so it just changes your power band around __________________

10-27-2009, 04:26 PM	#10
vtragweed Ratard Name: Willie Joined: Aug 2008, #8454 Location: VA & TX Age: 28 Gender: Male Posts: 1,386 08 2.7 SR5 Debadged 2008 Access Cab Manual 2.7 afe pro-dry s filter, DT headers, painted black steelies,color matched grill surround, dynomax super-turbo muffler	i have the dt headers, no problems, i got the ceramic coated set easy as hell to install and gave decent gains __________________

10-28-2009, 01:32 PM	#12
DanGer Avatar approved by 98tacomav6 Joined: Jun 2008, #7155 Location: Northern Virginia & Blacksburg Age: 20 Gender: Male Posts: 5,844 07 Base 4Cyl 4x4 Manual 2007 Access Cab Manual 2.7 5 speed White Head Light mod, White shorty antennae, Doug Thorley Long Tube headers, AFE Drop in air filter, Secondary Air Filter Removed,	Honestly I would not buy my Doug thorely longtubes again. They do add a little power high end but they lost a little low end. After VT ragweed and I installed them, I stalled my manual three times the first week they were on until I readjusted to the powerband changes __________________ 30K Maintenance Write up My build

10-23-2009, 09:38 AM	#2
sachou Senior Member Name: Sam Joined: Sep 2009, #23554 Location: Richland, Washington Gender: Male Posts: 315 1999 4WD 5spd 3RZ 2.7L Ext. Cab 1999 Access Cab Manual 3RZ, Downey CAI, TRD TBS, Xlerator Turbo Muffler Allpro Front Bumper, Badlands Rear Bumper, Warn M8000 Winch, Warn Manual Hubs, 2.5" Sway Away Racerunner Coilovers, Alcan Add-a-leafs.	bump.

10-26-2009, 09:50 PM	#3
sachou Senior Member Name: Sam Joined: Sep 2009, #23554 Location: Richland, Washington Gender: Male Posts: 315 1999 4WD 5spd 3RZ 2.7L Ext. Cab 1999 Access Cab Manual 3RZ, Downey CAI, TRD TBS, Xlerator Turbo Muffler Allpro Front Bumper, Badlands Rear Bumper, Warn M8000 Winch, Warn Manual Hubs, 2.5" Sway Away Racerunner Coilovers, Alcan Add-a-leafs.	Bump. I might just buy the pacesetters if nobody tries to stop me

10-27-2009, 05:42 AM	#4
uood8 Donuts?? Joined: Jun 2009, #18086 Location: Greensboro, NC Gender: Male Posts: 633 09 SR5 4x4 AccessCab 2009 Access Cab Manual Bangin on 4 Cylinders	the pacesetter will be falling apart in no time. cheap thin steel....hello rust.

10-27-2009, 02:56 PM	#9
zidaro Member Joined: Jul 2009, #20369 Location: mammoth lakes, ca Gender: Male Posts: 34 4x4 1996 Xtra Cab Manual 3rz LCE 35#fly/header/underdrive crank pulley, AEM, 2.5"lift	Ive had DT headers in the past and thought they sucked, welds broke, flanges not true. Ive been running LC Engineering headers on 22re's for years and had no trouble with them- beat the hell outta my truck and the header held up. I now have LCE 3rz header and it is a beautiful piece and seems (professional seat of pants review) to give good low end torque and lets the engine pull into higher rpm's as well. Fit was dead on and I have uber confidence that it is not going to fall apart. Buy a 2.25 cat-back later, it will help to release some power but first get your truck running.

10-28-2009, 01:28 PM	#11
sachou Senior Member Name: Sam Joined: Sep 2009, #23554 Location: Richland, Washington Gender: Male Posts: 315 1999 4WD 5spd 3RZ 2.7L Ext. Cab 1999 Access Cab Manual 3RZ, Downey CAI, TRD TBS, Xlerator Turbo Muffler Allpro Front Bumper, Badlands Rear Bumper, Warn M8000 Winch, Warn Manual Hubs, 2.5" Sway Away Racerunner Coilovers, Alcan Add-a-leafs.	Just called Northwest Offroad Specialties...$520 for the headers! WAY out of my price range. They only have a few left and they're discontinuing them after they run out. Just thought you guys should know, if you've been thinking about them like I have.

11-06-2009, 09:54 AM	#15
sachou Senior Member Name: Sam Joined: Sep 2009, #23554 Location: Richland, Washington Gender: Male Posts: 315 1999 4WD 5spd 3RZ 2.7L Ext. Cab 1999 Access Cab Manual 3RZ, Downey CAI, TRD TBS, Xlerator Turbo Muffler Allpro Front Bumper, Badlands Rear Bumper, Warn M8000 Winch, Warn Manual Hubs, 2.5" Sway Away Racerunner Coilovers, Alcan Add-a-leafs.	Just ordered a set of Doug Thorley Ceramic Tri-Y's from TRDParts4U! I was really considering the LC's, but I heard the crimped merge collector was kind of lame... I really considered your input dgerm, but I'm getting the tri-y's, so low-mid power should be much better than the longtubes...plus, the guy at TRDParts4U hooked me up with a really good deal. Thanks for all your help, TW!

11-07-2009, 07:11 PM	#16
darkturtleninja 9th level dungeon master Joined: Dec 2008, #11243 Location: Illinois Age: 21 Gender: Male Posts: 271 95 2.7 3rz turd 1995 Regular Cab Manual 2.7 3rz cold air intake, body lift, suspension lift.	my truck had a cracked manifold when i got it... 6 months later my replacement from autozone is cracked in pretty much the same place... i give up.... ill be going with headers soon __________________

11-09-2009, 02:14 PM	#18
da0023 The One, The Only Name: Drew Joined: Apr 2009, #16547 Location: Alabama Gender: Dude Posts: 323 99 PreRunner SR5 1999 Xtra Cab Automatic 2.7L none	You can get an LC Engineering header setup for $369. Check this out http://www.toyotacatalog.net/M1WebGe...6-14E0E816A140 __________________ By myself, but not alone

11-14-2009, 09:55 AM	#19
sachou Senior Member Name: Sam Joined: Sep 2009, #23554 Location: Richland, Washington Gender: Male Posts: 315 1999 4WD 5spd 3RZ 2.7L Ext. Cab 1999 Access Cab Manual 3RZ, Downey CAI, TRD TBS, Xlerator Turbo Muffler Allpro Front Bumper, Badlands Rear Bumper, Warn M8000 Winch, Warn Manual Hubs, 2.5" Sway Away Racerunner Coilovers, Alcan Add-a-leafs.	Did I get the right headers? So I got my Doug Thorley Tri-y's in the mail yesterday. They look pretty decent, but it looks like they are the chrome headers, and not the ceramics I ordered. The part # I ordered was THY-506Y-1-C, "C" meaning ceramic. It has that number on the box, but on the headers, it only says 506Y-1, and they look pretty chrome to me, but I've never had headers before. Can anyone here tell by looking?

11-16-2009, 07:39 PM	#20
numbah57 ...TRY HITTING IT WITH MORE SPEED... Name: kahai Joined: Oct 2009, #24160 Location: maui, hawaii Gender: Male Posts: 162 09 tacoma 2.7 timberland mica 2009 Access Cab Manual 2.7 4cyl 5% tint, camo wet okoles, k&n filter/secondary filter removed, shortie antenna, black front emblem/debaged, 8000k HID kit, URD short shifter-hurst knob, TRD off road wheels	chormey chrome chrome...frikkin sick though, let me know if you dont want them. ill be glad to take them off your hands...aloha __________________

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