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Old 07-24-2012, 07:07 PM   #1
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About to get in deep. Lend me your knowledge.

For quite some time I told myself I wasn't going to lift my truck. I didn't want to open the can of worms that seems to come with it. Times change though.

If I was to ever lift it, I was going to do it the right way, from the beginning. I'm to poor to waste my money. Then here comes Stupid Hurts puttin his SAW/TC Mid-Travel set up for sale. I am about 2 steps away from purchasing his setup. I also have some general questions for Steven, if he happens to pop in here.

The problem is, I might fix cars for a living, but I'm pretty clueless when it all comes to lifts. I've got a lot of questions, wonderings and what-have-you-not about taking the plunge into the Mid-Travel world.

I've searched. It only left me with more questions and confusion than answers.

#1. Alignment.
I can do alignments all damnn day. Issue here is...I have no idea what the specs are supposed to be post-lift for the 05+ 5 lug Taco. Is it as simple as hooking it up and getting it back into the factory specs? My specs right now are pretty dead on: 0.2 camber, 3.9 caster and even toe. Try to get back to that? If not, what specs should I be looking for?

#2. The Rear Lift.
I searched a lot here. I got answers, some, but came away still with quesitons. I can get either a Fat Bob or Ready Lift AAL. I have seen some complaints of rear sag with those 2. Is there anyone else who makes an AAL designed for these trucks? If so, please point me in that direction. What about an entirely new leaf pack that is designed for these trucks and would provided the needed rear lift? Again, if so, point me thataway. I have seen the 50T option, but I don't think I'm looking for that much.

#2a. Rear Shocks.
Not much worry here. I think I'll be going with the Monroe Reflex shocks designed for the prerunner/4x4. P# 911280.

#3. Design Purpose.
Call me stupid, but what is the true, intended purpose of a Mid-Travel set up? Is it more designed for off-road trail riding, is it more designed for running around out in the desert? It is simply a do whatever the hell you want with it kind of thing? I couldn't imagine, but are people taking on jumps with this kind of setup? (I certainly won't be)

#4. Uniballs.
I have a concern about them with living in Ohio. They will see winter. They will see the nasty, corrossive shit they spray on the roads. Is there a way to protect the uniballs from such torment a little? It also appeared that uniballs could be purchased seperately, is this correct?

#5 Stupid Hurts, Steven
- The SAWs are "adjustable" correct? What is the way of adjusting them? A special tool? Would it be included? Could I take them out of the box and put them on and not worry about having to "set" them? I know you said rebuilding might be a good idea, but that will have to wait, I'm blowing a huge wad on this already.

- Sway-a-ways made you have to remove the Sway-a-bar you say? How has that worked out?

I'm sure I'll have more wonderings. Bout all that comes to mind at the moment.
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The SAWs are adjustable, however, you will need a spanner wrench. They are currently set to give you about 2.75" to 3" of lift. As far as the sway bar goes, I never really felt a difference. For the uniballs, use dry teflon lubrication. It will be your friend. I'd highly suggest you get them rebuilt. I would hold off installing them until you do so because it becomes more of a pain when you have to take them off your truck.
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The SAWs are adjustable, however, you will need a spanner wrench. They are currently set to give you about 2.75" to 3" of lift. As far as the sway bar goes, I never really felt a difference. For the uniballs, use dry teflon lubrication. It will be your friend. I'd highly suggest you get them rebuilt. I would hold off installing them until you do so because it becomes more of a pain when you have to take them off your truck.
True on the rebuild.

How much did rebuilding them run you when you did them?
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As far as the leaf pack goes, I know of two companies who make new leaf packs for us. All pro has two models, and Old man emu has a few as well. Both good options for you I think.
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As far as the leaf pack goes, I know of two companies who make new leaf packs for us. All pro has two models, and Old man emu has a few as well. Both good options for you I think.
Thank you, I will be looking into those later this evening when I'm actually off work.

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Icon has a 3 leaf pack that allows some flex but I personally never had issues with my fatbob AAL's
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Icon has a 3 leaf pack that allows some flex but I personally never had issues with my fatbob AAL's
Going that route (fat bobs) would run me about 120 or so. A very viable option. The AALs and new U-bolts.

Whats up with the Alignment specs er'body?....
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you are a raging homosexual for lifting your 5 Lug.

but at least your doing it right lol

now that that's over with lol

im pretty sure you can get it into stock alignment ...i think thats what most people aim for. i think at around 2" (up or down) you get problems, but with your UCA it should keep things manageable

honestly, all the different AAL should work (even the 6 lug ones, as the spring width is the same and all,) or you could go with an aftermarket leaf pack if you are willing to spend the cash. The 6 lug aftermarket leafs should work as well but you will need to make sure the arch is enough to actually lift the truck.
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you are a raging homosexual for lifting your 5 Lug.

but at least your doing it right lol

now that that's over with lol

im pretty sure you can get it into stock alignment ...i think thats what most people aim for. i think at around 2" (up or down) you get problems, but with your UCA it should keep things manageable

honestly, all the different AAL should work (even the 6 lug ones, as the spring width is the same and all,) or you could go with an aftermarket leaf pack if you are willing to spend the cash. The 6 lug aftermarket leafs should work as well but you will need to make sure the arch is enough to actually lift the truck.
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I appreciate the help a lot man.

I've got a minute to think the rear over.

I can buy the Fat Bobs AAL and ubolts for like 110 + shipping.

I did find this and wondered if it would work...
http://www.toyteclifts.com/index.php...mart&Itemid=72

But everything on the page even says it won't fit a 5 lug, so...I dunno. Sort of want to send them an email, but I mean, right at the top of the page...
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Aligning a lifter truck can be easy, or it can be hard. Over the years of having to align stock or lifted trucks I have learned that each truck is it's own monster. You do want to try and get things close to factory as far as alignments. Then drive it on the street. Steers hard? Add a little caster to free it up. Wanders? Again, add a little caster. the characteristics of an alignment change as your suspension moves (as I am sure you are aware) So what you need to do is find that "sweet spot" in your truck. If the springs are tight, you will get less up-and-down so you can stay close to spec. Softer springs increase your up and down and you may need to adjust your caster and camber as things go along. If you have any problems feel free to PM me. Good luck!
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Aligning a lifter truck can be easy, or it can be hard. Over the years of having to align stock or lifted trucks I have learned that each truck is it's own monster. You do want to try and get things close to factory as far as alignments. Then drive it on the street. Steers hard? Add a little caster to free it up. Wanders? Again, add a little caster. the characteristics of an alignment change as your suspension moves (as I am sure you are aware) So what you need to do is find that "sweet spot" in your truck. If the springs are tight, you will get less up-and-down so you can stay close to spec. Softer springs increase your up and down and you may need to adjust your caster and camber as things go along. If you have any problems feel free to PM me. Good luck!
It's own monster, a good analogy. Me and this truck have had a few good rounds on the alignment rack.

Back to the springs, I think I like this option a bit better.

http://www.iconvehicledynamics.com/s...ion-Pack-.html

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I'm going to eventually get that leaf pack when i'm in alaska. then the mid travel kit after tax season rolls around.
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I'm going to eventually get that leaf pack when i'm in alaska. then the mid travel kit after tax season rolls around.
I think I'm actually pretty setteled on that ICON pack for the minute. Only about $100 more, like the beefier-ness of it over a single AAL.

I like this thread, me being stupid, yet learning! All the questions I had made my mind fuzzy and confused. Now that we're getting somewhere.

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I appreciate the help a lot man.

I've got a minute to think the rear over.

I can buy the Fat Bobs AAL and ubolts for like 110 + shipping.

I did find this and wondered if it would work...
http://www.toyteclifts.com/index.php...mart&Itemid=72

But everything on the page even says it won't fit a 5 lug, so...I dunno. Sort of want to send them an email, but I mean, right at the top of the page...
yeah the thing is you'd have to find a pack with a pretty beefy arch. figure the stock 6 lug pack drops our trucks about an inch and a half, so compensating for the differences in packs between 5 and 6 lug trucks (1.5") the lift from that pack would be around an inch or so, as it is designed to lift the 6 lug truck 2.5"

the AAL should be ok esp with those longer shocks for the time being, as I know those leaf packs are generally hella expensive rofl. but correct me if im wrong your gonna sit like ryry (hella bro) with just the AAL right? unless you turn down those coilovers (or up? it's up right, since it's lifted?), but that's no fun

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the AAL should be ok esp with those longer shocks for the time being, as I know those leaf packs are generally hella expensive rofl. but correct me if im wrong your gonna sit like ryry (hella bro) with just the AAL right? unless you turn down those coilovers (or up? it's up right, since it's lifted?), but that's no fun
I..I...I have no idea.

SH seems to have been pretty level with his stuff and he's just got a RL AAL.
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like front higher than rear? (like a bro truck)
I know what you ment on that.

Don't know what I'm gunna do.

Wasn't RyRy's problem that he had a 6 lug leaf pack with his AAL?

This full 5 lug MT set-up from ICON includes the AALs i'd be interested in. I'd think I'd be level and not have the crazy stuff he had going on. I'll get the same UCAs, just SAW and not ICON coilovers. Shem was running the same 3 leaf AAL.

http://www.socalsupertrucks.com/soca...2006&drive=2WD

Something else I didn't think of...extended brake lines. Just get some for a 4x4 tacoma or what?
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I know what you ment on that.

Don't know what I'm gunna do.

Wasn't RyRy's problem that he had a 6 lug leaf pack with his AAL?

This full 5 lug MT set-up from ICON includes the AALs i'd be interested in. I'd think I'd be level and not have the crazy stuff he had going on. I'll get the same UCAs, just SAW and not ICON coilovers. Shem was running the same 3 leaf AAL.

http://www.socalsupertrucks.com/soca...2006&drive=2WD

Something else I didn't think of...extended brake lines. Just get some for a 4x4 tacoma or what?
I think you can buy extened brake lines for our model, i just dont know where
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