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Visible positive camber after lift an alignment

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by hurley1114, Jul 27, 2014.

  1. Jul 27, 2014 at 9:25 PM
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    I recently put on a 3 in lift and already took it to get aligned. It was way out of alignment and after alignment it seems to be within the specs. However, there is a very slight visible positive camber when you look at it from the front. It drives fine, rides very smooth, and really have very little to no play with the steering after alignment.

    Here is my readout after alignment.

    Front: Caster-Left Initial = .82/After = 1.54
    Right Initial = .48/After = 1.47

    Camber-Left Initial = 1.43/After = .48
    Right Initial = .55/After = .43

    Toe- Left Initial = -2.40/After = .07
    Right Initial = 1.85/After = .08
    Total Initial = -.55/After = .15

    Are these values the proper amount or should I take it else where to get aligned once more?

    As stated it drives fine and I have no issues other than the very minimal amount of visible positive camber in the front, mainly in the front passenger wheel. I just want to make sure I will not be wearing the tread on the tires uneven due to this issue.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    Thanks
     
  2. Jul 27, 2014 at 9:32 PM
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    You have to get new aftermarket UCAs to help with alignment after 3' suspension lifts
     
  4. Jul 27, 2014 at 11:55 PM
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    From the numbers before hand, :eek:!

    Now the numbers look good after you had the alignment done. But if you ever feel like the truck starts to wander when you drive on the highway, you will most likely need new upper control arms to get the caster higher, as it is most likely maxed out right now.
     
  5. Jul 28, 2014 at 1:28 AM
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    Goijg to need a picture of the wheels themselves. No some cool picture of the truck. Would like to see this camber. Also take a picture of your uca showing how close they are to the springs
     
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  6. Jul 29, 2014 at 4:52 PM
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    357Sig, here are a few of the pictures. Not sure if they are quite good enough but it is just a slight bit of positive camber if you can tell.

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  7. Jul 29, 2014 at 7:42 PM
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    Your truck looks OK to me. I see almost all Tacomas with some positive camber (the specs are from 0* to .5* I think).
    If you notice any abnormal wear on the tires, then I would start worrying about the camber being too high.
     
  8. Jul 29, 2014 at 7:46 PM
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    Your Camber and Toe should be as close to dead 0.00 as possible. Your Caster should be ideally 2.7 or higher. Yes that is "out of spec" but it is the correct setup for a 3" lift. If you cant increase caster thats not the end of the world but that toe and camber need to come WAY down
     
  9. Jul 29, 2014 at 7:58 PM
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    I'd be more worried about the total toe than anything. I think it's a lazy alignment guy calling it good enough. Total toe should be 0. Toe will eat tires faster than camber ever will. Plus, positive camber looks cool on trucks.
     
  10. Jul 29, 2014 at 8:25 PM
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    is that with stock upper control arms? The camber is unacceptable and the toe could be brought in more
     
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    Mine looks the same. Had it at 3 different places and the numbers are Always good. I stopped caring. No irregular tire wear yet....actually no tire wear yet. I have lr UCA but still have the same issue. If the tires don't wear its all good.
     
  12. Jul 30, 2014 at 5:11 AM
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    you'll need uca to correct that, if it's not in the budget for you right now. Just keep an eye on the tires, to see if there is any uneven wear
     
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    With camber like that the tires will wear unevenly, definitely not good at all. With more positive caster the truck will drive a lot better as well. Wheel alignment isn't something you don't want to ignore or not care about. Upper control arms should be on your list of parts when planning a lift kit.

    Totally agree^^^^

    Consensus is a lift over 2" will need an aftermarket UCA to get proper alignment numbers.

    At least bring the truck back to get that camber as close to 0.0 as possible and the toe to 0.0
    With 3" of lift and stock UCA's you will sacrifice caster for camber. I was barely able to get any positive caster while keeping camber at 0.0 with stock UCA's.

    I installed the Desert Products UCA's and was able to get 3.0 degrees positive caster and camber to 0.0. The difference in performance was unbelievable.

    Do you off-road your truck at all? The Light Racing control arms are a budget minded control arm. Total chaos is another popular upper control arm.

    Desert Products
    http://downsouthmotorsports.com/i-5...5-current-uni-ball-upper-control-arm-kit.html

    Light Racing Total Chaos
    http://downsouthmotorsports.com/i-1...5-current-uni-ball-upper-control-arm-kit.html
     
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    Isn't there a thread that explains this question, stickied?

    0 camber or your tires will lean. You'll just have to rotate more often.
     
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    should have gone with maxtrac spindles so it would have kept the upper control arm in stock location. (from what i've read on here)
     
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    I'm having the same problem with 3" lift. I put pro comp ucas on it. I haven't had it aligned since I did. Will it make a difference or am I wasting my time taking it back to the shop for alignment? I have bad tire wear pass side feathers real bad and drivers side wears inside real bad
     
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    Sorry here's he pic

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    I had the same issue with my 3rd gen

    Put a full OME lift went to get it aligned and the camber on the machine read 0

    You look at it and you can see at least a degree of positive camber

    I'm going to get it aligned again tomorrow and telling them to try and get -1 degree camber so maybe it'll look straight and I won't get camber wear
     
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    @hurley1114 yea this sucks! I just dropped 1k on tires and only have 1.75" lift on the front. Shopped for an alignment shop that would try and get requested #s. The owner "Sure we can do that for you, no problem" I specifically requested 0* camber and 0* toe. Well I got almost the identical #'s as you. Of course the owner was gone when the truck was completed so I left. Called later to speak with him and the answer I got was it is within specifications and should be fine. No shit, but not what I asked for. I was going to bring it back tomorrow but decided to see how they wear first. I'm going to chalk test, keep a close eye on tire wear and go from there. He did say I could bring it back but do I really want to?

    I'm still on the search for the "old timer" that knows WTF he's doing and takes the extra steps to do it right cause it's the right thing to do.

    Good luck, please post if your able to get the alignment your after.
     
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    Going through the same issues...can a person get -1 with factory uca and 3" lift?
     
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