Leaf pack differences?

MyToyTaco · 09-30-2009, 06:24 PM

I have the factory non-tsb leafs, with an AAL right now. I'm starting to get annoyed at the stiffness. They seem really bumpy to me. I've also got an axle wrap issue that I haven't been able to remedy. And the squeak.. f*ck! everytime i drive off pavement my shit sounds like metal grinding metal, regardless of cleaning & lube. driving me nuts.

Bottom line, I'm looking at full leaf packs to start fresh.

I've read good things about all pro, and im not loking to spend $600 on some springs. I know that these aren't designed to handle weight...but I'm wondering - is there any difference in weight capacity between the 1.5" and the 3"? Or any difference in ride stiffness?

chris4x4 · 09-30-2009, 06:28 PM

Check out Wheelers. They carry Deaver, and Alcan. Top line springs IMHO.

jhodge83 · 09-30-2009, 06:29 PM

should handle the same weight. just an FYI, i got the wrap w/ the 3" springs and no matter what, all springs wll squeak...

dexterdog · 09-30-2009, 06:33 PM

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no matter what, all springs wll squeak...

But you shouldn't have to put up with it. If this is the case go to a spring shop and have new teflon pads installed. It cost me around $50 to do my Tahoe and it was money well spent.

MyToyTaco · 09-30-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by dexterdog

But you shouldn't have to put up with it. If this is the case go to a spring shop and have new teflon pads installed. It cost me around $50 to do my Tahoe and it was money well spent.

I saw you post that in another thread I read..thought about doing that too but i really want a smoother ride so i think im going to leave them alone for now and hope new packs will last a while w/o the noise..

chris4x4 · 09-30-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jhodge83

should handle the same weight. just an FYI, i got the wrap w/ the 3" springs and no matter what, all springs wll squeak...

But the squeak can be eliminated.

jhodge83 · 10-01-2009, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by chris4x4

But the squeak can be eliminated.

i know...just stating that at some point, all will squeak

chris4x4 · 10-01-2009, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by jhodge83

i know...just stating that at some point, all will squeak

Yeeee ep!

MyToyTaco · 10-01-2009, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MyToyTaco

im not loking to spend $600 on some springs.

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Originally Posted by chris4x4

Check out Wheelers. They carry Deaver, and Alcan. Top line springs IMHO.

chris4x4 · 10-01-2009, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MyToyTaco

MyToyTaco · 10-01-2009, 07:40 AM

deaver & alcan = both about $599. Is there really THAT much of a difference to be able to charge $200+ more than all pro?

chris4x4 · 10-01-2009, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MyToyTaco

deaver & alcan = both about $599. Is there really THAT much of a difference to be able to charge $200+ more than all pro?

Ok....I didnt know thats what they were chargeing. Last time I looked into them, they were much less.

MyToyTaco · 10-01-2009, 07:45 AM

they are.. but really though, IYHO, is there a big difference in the springs? If it's significant, i would possible consider spending $200 more..

chris4x4 · 10-01-2009, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MyToyTaco

they are.. but really though, IYHO, is there a big difference in the springs? If it's significant, i would possible consider spending $200 more..

I have never heard anything bad about the Devers or Alcan. I know Deaver has TOP notch customer service. They are a leaf spring...nothing really high tech about them, so I dont see how one could be that much better than another. Jhodge swwms pretty happy with his AllPro springs, so it hay be worth saveing a few bucks. To Add: You MAY want to give Wheelers a chance to match the price of the all pro springs.

allpro · 10-01-2009, 02:51 PM

Our springs are less expensive only because we buy them hundreds at a time, and we can pass that quantity discount on to our customers. They also carry a 1 year warranty against manufacturer's defects!

Also, to answer your question, the spring rate is the same on the 1.5" and 3" leaf springs. Thanks!

nolanspawn · 10-02-2009, 12:53 AM

Will the leaf springs from either AllPro, Deaver or Alcan give a weight capacity improvement over stock? I am thinking about going the full leaf pack instead of AAL before I get started. Been waiting on my Icon setup with an AAL but starting to think I should just snag a pack.

SC4333 · 10-02-2009, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nolanspawn

Will the leaf springs from either AllPro, Deaver or Alcan give a weight capacity improvement over stock? I am thinking about going the full leaf pack instead of AAL before I get started. Been waiting on my Icon setup with an AAL but starting to think I should just snag a pack.

No, they will not. You will actually loose carrying capacity by a significant amount, although, this is the price you pay for articulation and increased off-road/on-road ride.

jhodge83 · 10-02-2009, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by nolanspawn

Will the leaf springs from either AllPro, Deaver or Alcan give a weight capacity improvement over stock? I am thinking about going the full leaf pack instead of AAL before I get started. Been waiting on my Icon setup with an AAL but starting to think I should just snag a pack.

none of those will improve capacity, but from stories i've heard, the deavers/alcans will hold weigt better than the AP's

allpro · 10-02-2009, 10:27 AM

Our springs were designed for flexing off-road, but they will handle some weight as well. I've personally carried 500 lb loads several times and towed 5,000 lb trailer & boat with no issues. The truck will sit lower in the rear until the load is removed, but then they return to their normal height.

SiRMarlon · 10-02-2009, 07:28 PM

Hit my brother up Nick...we are rocking the 3" AP leaf pack in the rear of the truck! The ride is definitely smoother and now that the new Fox Shox's are going on the rear it's going to be even more smoother! If you are worried about sag, get some Timbren bump stops to go along with them. I believe AP also sells the Timbrens with there U-bolt flip kit! The Timbrens will help keep the truck from completely sagging...

It looks like this...

09-30-2009, 06:24 PM	#1
MyToyTaco 4x4 FTW Name: Nick Joined: Sep 2008, #9417 Location: Winnetka, SoCal Age: 26 Gender: Male Posts: 3,000 05 Silver DC 4x4 2005 Double Cab Automatic 5100s, 885s w/top plate, TC UCA, AAL, CB drop, shims, 5125s, pioneer HU, black painted wheels, n-fab light bar, short antenna, lastly, some awesome custom pinstriping	Leaf pack differences? I have the factory non-tsb leafs, with an AAL right now. I'm starting to get annoyed at the stiffness. They seem really bumpy to me. I've also got an axle wrap issue that I haven't been able to remedy. And the squeak.. f*ck! everytime i drive off pavement my shit sounds like metal grinding metal, regardless of cleaning & lube. driving me nuts. Bottom line, I'm looking at full leaf packs to start fresh. I've read good things about all pro, and im not loking to spend $600 on some springs. I know that these aren't designed to handle weight...but I'm wondering - is there any difference in weight capacity between the 1.5" and the 3"? Or any difference in ride stiffness? __________________

09-30-2009, 06:28 PM	#2
chris4x4 Watching Ed Live vicariously through mjp2 Name: FlimFlubberJAM Joined: May 2008, #6497 Location: Arizona Gender: Male Posts: 46,863 2007 PreRunner 2007 Double Cab Automatic 1GR-FE (4.0 V6) OME 885's, OME n140s front shocks, Total Chaos UCA's, TSB springs with AAL, 5100 rear shocks, custom built fuel tank skid plate, TRD exhaust.	Check out Wheelers. They carry Deaver, and Alcan. Top line springs IMHO. __________________ Release the Cracken!

09-30-2009, 06:29 PM	#3
jhodge83 Member of the Ban Wagon Name: Jamie Joined: Apr 2007, #1432 Location: SoCar Age: 26 Gender: Guy Posts: 10,145 09 Timberland Mica DC 4X4 Sport 2009 Double Cab Automatic 4.0L nothing	should handle the same weight. just an FYI, i got the wrap w/ the 3" springs and no matter what, all springs wll squeak... __________________ 2009 Timberland Mica DC SB TRD Sport 4x4 SouthEast Region Offroading 360 GT= jamieh83 PS3 GT= jhodge83 SERO URE Meet Apr 9-11

10-01-2009, 07:40 AM	#11
MyToyTaco 4x4 FTW Name: Nick Joined: Sep 2008, #9417 Location: Winnetka, SoCal Age: 26 Gender: Male Posts: 3,000 05 Silver DC 4x4 2005 Double Cab Automatic 5100s, 885s w/top plate, TC UCA, AAL, CB drop, shims, 5125s, pioneer HU, black painted wheels, n-fab light bar, short antenna, lastly, some awesome custom pinstriping	deaver & alcan = both about $599. Is there really THAT much of a difference to be able to charge $200+ more than all pro? __________________

10-01-2009, 07:45 AM	#13
MyToyTaco 4x4 FTW Name: Nick Joined: Sep 2008, #9417 Location: Winnetka, SoCal Age: 26 Gender: Male Posts: 3,000 05 Silver DC 4x4 2005 Double Cab Automatic 5100s, 885s w/top plate, TC UCA, AAL, CB drop, shims, 5125s, pioneer HU, black painted wheels, n-fab light bar, short antenna, lastly, some awesome custom pinstriping	they are.. but really though, IYHO, is there a big difference in the springs? If it's significant, i would possible consider spending $200 more.. __________________

10-01-2009, 02:51 PM	#15
allpro Senior Member Name: Sarah Joined: Oct 2008, #10025 Location: Hemet, CA Gender: Female Posts: 147 '08 Tacoma 4x4 2008 Double Cab Automatic All-Pro LT 4" Front Suspension with 3" Rear Kit, Full All-Pro Armor	Our springs are less expensive only because we buy them hundreds at a time, and we can pass that quantity discount on to our customers. They also carry a 1 year warranty against manufacturer's defects! Also, to answer your question, the spring rate is the same on the 1.5" and 3" leaf springs. Thanks! __________________ www.allprooffroad.com 951.658.7077

10-02-2009, 12:53 AM	#16
nolanspawn Work In Progress Joined: Aug 2007, #2396 Location: Florida / Vegas Gender: Male Posts: 139 2007 Pre Runner SR5 2007 Double Cab Automatic 4.0L TRD Intake and Banks Exhaust	Will the leaf springs from either AllPro, Deaver or Alcan give a weight capacity improvement over stock? I am thinking about going the full leaf pack instead of AAL before I get started. Been waiting on my Icon setup with an AAL but starting to think I should just snag a pack.

10-02-2009, 10:27 AM	#19
allpro Senior Member Name: Sarah Joined: Oct 2008, #10025 Location: Hemet, CA Gender: Female Posts: 147 '08 Tacoma 4x4 2008 Double Cab Automatic All-Pro LT 4" Front Suspension with 3" Rear Kit, Full All-Pro Armor	Our springs were designed for flexing off-road, but they will handle some weight as well. I've personally carried 500 lb loads several times and towed 5,000 lb trailer & boat with no issues. The truck will sit lower in the rear until the load is removed, but then they return to their normal height. __________________ www.allprooffroad.com 951.658.7077

10-02-2009, 07:28 PM	#20
SiRMarlon The Photo Ninja! Joined: Dec 2008, #11913 Location: Los Angeles Gender: Male Posts: 488 Nikon D70s Automatic	Hit my brother up Nick...we are rocking the 3" AP leaf pack in the rear of the truck! The ride is definitely smoother and now that the new Fox Shox's are going on the rear it's going to be even more smoother! If you are worried about sag, get some Timbren bump stops to go along with them. I believe AP also sells the Timbrens with there U-bolt flip kit! The Timbrens will help keep the truck from completely sagging... It looks like this... __________________ www.SiRMarlon.com The World through my Eyes!! The SiRMarlon Crawler: 1984 4Runner Buildup

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