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Old 07-17-2012, 09:01 PM   #41
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Just as was said, the fish in his way to spawning grounds will not eat and the only method to take them is flossing. You have to convince the fish and game guy that the fish took you-re hook. If snagged anywhere else you have to let it go. Now, this works only so far up the river. Later on its migratory journey the salmon goes through a lot of changes. The mouth of it gets elongated, the meet takes a white color and is not pink like it was in the ocean. At this point isn't good anymore.
Of course a lot of people still use it, but not those who know.
"Most" times, the flossing takes place in the upper stretches of the river (or near spawning grounds). When they are in the lower sections or still early in their migratory path, lures such as Flatfish/Quickfish/jigs, spoons, spinners, etc all work by essentially aggravating the salmon enough to where they will strike the lure. These techniques will all work at any stage of the salmons adult life. Even using the actual salmon roe is a great method to catch salmon and steelhead.
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Do you guys have a native ( First Nations ) fishery on this salmon run ?
For the most part, the salmon that have been traveling through the CA river systems have been doing so since (who knows, ages). Their biggest obstacles now are dams. With the steelhead here, there are native or as we call them "wild" fish and hatchery fish. However, to some, both now could almost be considered non native since they have the possibility to breed with hatchery fish.
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For the most part, the salmon that have been traveling through the CA river systems have been doing so since (who knows, ages). Their biggest obstacles now are dams. With the steelhead here, there are native or as we call them "wild" fish and hatchery fish. However, to some, both now could almost be considered non native since they have the possibility to breed with hatchery fish.
Sorry , I meant Native Americans , First Nations , Indians
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Sorry , I meant Native Americans , First Nations , Indians
Whoops and yes up north in CA on the Trinity and Klamath rivers there are. Not so much where I am at. The whole native fisheries though is another heated debate in the fishing world.
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The whole native fisheries though is another heated debate in the fishing world.
Same here
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Lol @ the Klamath fishery... "Native" American decsendancts destroying things up there.

As for sockeye up here we're having a perfect storm for sockeye - commercial fishery is going to be shut down due to a horrible King run, and the
sockeye are already coming up in huge numbers.

I've worked in hatcheries in CA and I'll say the general consensus from DFG members is they don't like lining, but unfortunately for you Jay, as long as they bring the fish in and the hook is in the mouth and the bait/lure is legal there is nothing you can do. But if someone is snagging on purpose, or they drag in a belly snagged fish and bonk it in hopes that no one is looking I hope you give them hell.
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Lol @ the Klamath fishery... "Native" American decsendancts destroying things up there.

As for sockeye up here we're having a perfect storm for sockeye - commercial fishery is going to be shut down due to a horrible King run, and the
sockeye are already coming up in huge numbers.

I've worked in hatcheries in CA and I'll say the general consensus from DFG members is they don't like lining, but unfortunately for you Jay, as long as they bring the fish in and the hook is in the mouth and the bait/lure is legal there is nothing you can do. But if someone is snagging on purpose, or they drag in a belly snagged fish and bonk it in hopes that no one is looking I hope you give them hell.
That's what you are doing too , no ?
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I meant if someone is throwing a treble and a 2 oz weight and
Ripping every bump they feel... As for up here, It's legal. Thousands of people doing it a day. Snagging, but only keepin the ones that are in the mouth. If someone knows what they're doing, they're not going to snag the fish anywhere else.
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I meant if someone is throwing a treble and a 2 oz weight and
Ripping every bump they feel... As for up here, It's legal. Thousands of people doing it a day. Snagging, but only keepin the ones that are in the mouth. If someone knows what they're doing, they're not going to snag the fish anywhere else.
Snagging is snagging

Just because everybody is using this loophole doesn't justify the practice
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Lol @ the Klamath fishery... "Native" American decsendancts destroying things up there.

As for sockeye up here we're having a perfect storm for sockeye - commercial fishery is going to be shut down due to a horrible King run, and the
sockeye are already coming up in huge numbers.

I've worked in hatcheries in CA and I'll say the general consensus from DFG members is they don't like lining, but unfortunately for you Jay, as long as they bring the fish in and the hook is in the mouth and the bait/lure is legal there is nothing you can do. But if someone is snagging on purpose, or they drag in a belly snagged fish and bonk it in hopes that no one is looking I hope you give them hell.
100% correct. Like I said , its been made illegal in other states, just wanting to see what the general consensus was here. I will bet the farm it will be illegal sometime soon here. Sidenote: I am totally jealous of your Alaska trip, I can only dream of going up there one day.
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Snagging is snagging

Just because everybody is using this loophole doesn't justify the practice
I can't believe I came down on the same side as you on this...
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Snagging is snagging

Just because everybody is using this loophole doesn't justify the practice
Government says the loophole is legal. You fish Ozzy?
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Jay it won't become illegal in CA. There's more to be worried about with the salmon down there.

On another note if you want to come to Alaska it's very affordable. We have a rental home for 1400 a week. Being up 3 or 4 close buddies split the rental car bill, gas, and groceries and bring back a couple hundred pounds of fish.
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Jay it won't become illegal in CA. There's more to be worried about with the salmon down there.

On another note if you want to come to Alaska it's very affordable. We have a rental home for 1400 a week. Being up 3 or 4 close buddies split the rental car bill, gas, and groceries and bring back a couple hundred pounds of fish.
Thats it? Holy shit, did you drive or fly up there?
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Fly. Rental cars are the expensive part though, about 1800 a week. My dad does our suburban for I think 600 a week. If you're really interested PM me, or go to USAfishing dot com and go to the Alaska section.
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Fly. Rental cars are the expensive part though, about 1800 a week. My dad does our suburban for I think 600 a week. If you're really interested PM me, or go to USAfishing dot com and go to the Alaska section.
What town are you in?
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Government says the loophole is legal. You fish Ozzy?
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I do respect your opinion but this statement sort of frightens me I must say
He has a valid point in that most fisheries are managed quantitatively and the numbers have very little to do with method (except maybe where Native people are netting/trapping the fish).

I guess for me, I don't agree with flossing.
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Soldotna, Kenai river. 3.5 hours south of Anchorage.
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Just as was said, the fish in his way to spawning grounds will not eat and the only method to take them is flossing. You have to convince the fish and game guy that the fish took you-re hook. If snagged anywhere else you have to let it go. Now, this works only so far up the river. Later on its migratory journey the salmon goes through a lot of changes. The mouth of it gets elongated, the meet takes a white color and is not pink like it was in the ocean. At this point isn't good anymore.
Of course a lot of people still use it, but not those who know.
In my experience I do not find this to be true. Salmon will hit a large variety of offerings, some that do not need a leader or use a very short leader.
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