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Old 10-07-2013, 09:18 AM   #41
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I'm wondering if it's the traction control thats kicking in, instead of SS.

When rolling backwards while in forward gear(drive or 4,3,2,1), something kicks in, not sure what. Whatever it is, it pulses brakes like abs, forcefully enough to stall motor.
Example: when four wheeling, climbing a hill, i didn't quite make it to the top, I released brake pedal, but left in 1st gear(auto), and after traveling five feet backwards, something engaged brakes enough to stall motor and scare the crap out of me.
I can recreate same effect in my driveway, just by letting truck roll backwards while in forward gear. It's very unnerving, it kicks in so hard that it stalls or nearly stalls motor.
Rolling backwards facing up is one problem.Rolling forward when backing a jetski trailer up the hill is another.Never had these problems with my old Nissan.Point remains this "technology"is a step in the wrong direction.Please Toyota,disable this feature on our truck.
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I would loose it.
There is no way I will buy a vehicle that does this.
Then you better not buy a new Toyota.I discovered this flaw on the way home from the dealer.I called immediately when I got home and told them disarm it or give me my money back.Toyota USA said they couldn't,it's been titled and refused even though it had 40 miles on it.I later found out this was not true.
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I ride motorcycles and use both feet to do it. I ride Jetskis and use both feet.I fly airplanes,this takes both hands,both feet,your mouth,both ears and a whole lot of thought.Now Toyota and probably the federal government has decided I can't drive with both feet.Get out of my truck,BOTH of you!Smart Stop is stupid.Please tell me how to disable this worthless feature.
So while flying or motorcycling you are used to using both feet, and while driving an automatic you still feel the need to use both feet, even though it makes no sense to hold gas and brake at the same time, unless you're racing nascar.

I've been driving and operating all types of farm and heavy equipment for 30 years plus, and I've had to use both feet and both hands to operate nearly all of them, but I've never had to use both feet to drive an automatic in normal everyday driving conditions. I can only think of one situation that I've had to use both pedals, and that's off roading where you need the engine power up before you let off the brake to try and clear an obstacle, but even then SS, would still allow you to since it only kicks in when you press gas first, you're over 1/3 of throttle, and going over 5 mph.
I think you're just used to driving one way, and are upset that the Toyota doesn't want you to ride the brakes.
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Example: when four wheeling, climbing a hill, i didn't quite make it to the top, I released brake pedal, but left in 1st gear(auto), and after traveling five feet backwards, something engaged brakes enough to stall motor and scare the crap out of me.
I can recreate same effect in my driveway, just by letting truck roll backwards while in forward gear. It's very unnerving, it kicks in so hard that it stalls or nearly stalls motor.
That isn't Smart Stop. It's either the transmission not liking being driven backwards, or hill-start assist attempting to stop the slide.
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Old 10-07-2013, 09:53 AM   #45
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This is what the disclosure says.

Smart Stop Technology operates only in the event of certain simultaneous brake and accelerator pedal applications. When engaged, the system will reduce power to help the brakes bring the vehicle to a stop. Factors including speed, road conditions and driver input can all impact stopping distance. Smart Stop Technology is not a substitute for safe and attentive driving and does not guarantee instant stopping. Please see your Owner's Manual for further details.

Not to start anything but haven't you seen the news cast 72 year old has mistaken the gas for the break.

If I remember correctly it used to be common place to use the left and right foot to drive. But if you dislike that feature on your new pick-up truck trade it in and buy an older model.

My driving record is spotless, I drive for a living ,ride motorcycles , and I am licensed to drive anything on the road.
I discard your profile notion that 72 YO's don't know the difference a brake and gas pedal.Also if I wanted an older truck I would have bought one.You shouldn't tell me what to buy and Toyota shouldn't tell me how to drive.Got it?Good.Get lost!
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Old 10-07-2013, 10:04 AM   #46
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That isn't Smart Stop. It's either the transmission not liking being driven backwards, or hill-start assist attempting to stop the slide.
I honestly don't know what program is causing it, but it definitely pulses brakes similar to abs. I'll just put in neutral next time I'm in similar situations, to try and avoid it. But it scared the hell out of me first time, I wasn't prepared and now that I've figured out what triggered it, I can avoid it. I might try to turn off the nannies and see if it still happens, or I might just not worry anymore about it.
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On a similar topic... Is there anyway to disable Brake Assist?

That feature drives me NUTS.
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So while flying or motorcycling you are used to using both feet, and while driving an automatic you still feel the need to use both feet, even though it makes no sense to hold gas and brake at the same time, unless you're racing nascar.

I've been driving and operating all types of farm and heavy equipment for 30 years plus, and I've had to use both feet and both hands to operate nearly all of them, but I've never had to use both feet to drive an automatic in normal everyday driving conditions. I can only think of one situation that I've had to use both pedals, and that's off roading where you need the engine power up before you let off the brake to try and clear an obstacle, but even then SS, would still allow you to since it only kicks in when you press gas first, you're over 1/3 of throttle, and going over 5 mph.
I think you're just used to driving one way, and are upset that the Toyota doesn't want you to ride the brakes.
Dear Nickel,I am glad you have developed a driving technique that works for you,however competition drivers(including NASCAR)and heavy commercial vehicle drivers in traffic know that reducing brake reaction is both efficient and safer.Please notice I am not trying to force this technique on you.You use what works for you and I'll do the same.
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Dear Nickel,I am glad you have developed a driving technique that works for you,however competition drivers(including NASCAR)and heavy commercial vehicle drivers in traffic know that reducing brake reaction is both efficient and safer.Please notice I am not trying to force this technique on you.You use what works for you and I'll do the same.
I also drove Comercially for 20+ years, and taught defensive drivers course to new employees. Never once was I taught to hold brake and gas simultaneously, nor did I teach it. Also where I worked, the trucks have sensors to tell your supervisor what you're doing at all times, they will fire you for holding gas and brake at the same time, due to the fact that it's inefficient use of energy. What we did teach and were taught was to always have your foot above the brake pedal, ready to use, but NEVER to have your foot rest on the pedal. Never once did I tell you how to drive, I only stated the way you drive is commonly known as riding the brake, which is an inefficient way to operate a modern vehicle.

Toyota has reason to include this in THEIR software, you chose to buy their vehicle, so sounds like you didn't do enough research before purchase.
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Old 10-07-2013, 07:27 PM   #50
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Stupid Stop

Hey Tiedie,Step away from the 'shrooms and listen up,your regurgitation of the company line is boring.Your characterization of seasoned citizens is nauseating.Your driving advice embarrassing,and your driving record?Who cares?If I wanted an older truck I would have bought one,who asked you anyway!Point is if you are not smart enough to apply your own brakes you shouldn't be driving.You can't fix stupid no matter how smart your car is.
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Harold, I think you should relax a bit here, you have 10 posts and you're already getting huffy to members who don't agree with you.

Not cool, bro. Ease up.
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Old 10-08-2013, 04:26 AM   #52
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Point is if you are not smart enough to apply your own brakes you shouldn't be driving.You can't fix stupid no matter how smart your car is.

Exactly, if you don't know that it's inefficient to use brake and gas at same time, you surely aren't fixable!!! Can't teach old dogs new tricks.
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Shoulda bought a manual. Then you can still use both feet
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Hey Andrew,We can compare driving records and maintenance records if you like,the point remains I don't need you or Toyota telling me how to drive.
Toyota, GM, Audi, Honda and the list goes on they are all that way.
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Then you better not buy a new Toyota.I discovered this flaw on the way home from the dealer.I called immediately when I got home and told them disarm it or give me my money back.Toyota USA said they couldn't,it's been titled and refused even though it had 40 miles on it.I later found out this was not true.
Yep. Pretty much. Toyota will likely be out of the question as a new vehicle for me.
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Then you better check before you buy it's pretty much standard now. It is no flaw
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I would loose it.
There is no way I will buy a vehicle that does this.
Might want to stay away from 2012 plus vehicles from now on
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Might want to stay away from 2012 plus vehicles from now on
After seeing most of the vehicles on the market for the last 3 years with park assist, collision awareness and all that garbage, I don't think I could buy any thing later then 2008. The only sensible vehicles that rely on good ol fashioned driving skill are highend sports cars (don't quote me on that). Everything is driving itself now a days. Soon drivers won't even be at fault for accidents.
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I agree, new cars have too many nannies. Instead of holding drivers accountable, we just keep making driving easier for idiots. No left turn without arrow, no right turn without arrow, lights at intersections that don't need it, cars with ability to sense other cars stopped, and the list goes on and on. We allow idiots to drive, drivers in New Mexico only need to score a 70/100 on written exam to get a license. What 30% of laws don't they need to know? To be allowed to drive, people should have to get a 100% on written and driving test. People should be forced to take 2-4 week course on defensive driving, and pass it with 100%. I feel driving is a privilege, not a right, and we should be acting accordingly.
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Toyota, GM, Audi, Honda and the list goes on they are all that way.
I notice you did not include Nissan or Ford.Had I known I would have chosen one of these brands.
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