are these good deals for welders torches?

im trying to get into metal fabrication, i have a lil bit of money to spend on tools but wanted to run these adds by yall and see if any of them are a good deal. i know the welders arent great but im saving up for a miller matic but the main thing i was eyeng was the acytaline torch and should i buy a torch first or a welder?


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good welder! http://eastnc.craigslist.org/tls/1855860046.html

torch http://eastnc.craigslist.org/tls/1836901508.html

 

well ask yourself this first.. what would you use the torch for?? and is it really needed.... to date i still don't have a torch in my shop, just no need for it.

 

the only reason i can think of the torch is to cut and weld atleast until i got a welder, but if i buy the welder i always have a sawsall

 

i too want to get into welding and fabrication. stick is messy and ive heard its pretty tough to do. ive also heard its the strongest? personally i want mig. for 700 you could buy a new lincoln powermig 180c

 

i could see using the torch to cut some, although it leaves a really rough cut that will require cleaning up afterwards but you'll be better off using an actual welder to weld versus a torch.. and as far as starting off your best bet for cutting and not having to clean it up afterwards is a grinder with a cut off wheel. that will leave a nice clean cut for you (provided you can keep it going straight)

i would recommend getting a good welder first. i have a lincoln 180 that has been an awesome machine, very capable

 

mig is plenty strong if done right... the thing with any weld type is it all depends on the capabilities of the operator... you can have the best welder in the world but if you don't know how to work it its just a big paper weight... and remember practice makes... well better alteast

 

as long as you practice right. if you practice shitty youll just pick up bad habbits.

 

i might save up a few hundred more dollars then, ive got sawzalls, grinders, and a vise i just need a tubing bender and a welder i think lol

i need a dang real job first though

 

I used to do some metal fab (unfortunately no truck stuff). I only used a torch for cutting and heating steel for bending. I'd go for a good wire fed welder first. The arc welders are good to learn on, but unless you're going to welding on farm equipment, I'd go with a wire fed welder, chop saw and angle grinder.

 

What do you plan to weld?

 

wanna practice and start fabbing sliders bumpers ect

 

I would recommend not getting a stick welder, Save some money and pick up a mig welder. If you can afford a 220v mig go that route if not you can get buy with a 110v welder. Benders can add up really fast. But get yourself a nice grinder,drill, vise. You can make a harborfreight notcher work by shimming it or buy a nice one like a jd2 or something.