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Old 10-18-2014, 09:07 PM   #4281
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There's an initial cost of the tank yes. But swapping them out doesn't cost much at all (100# tank at the local welder supply shop is like $50 here and it lasts quite a long time.) and it's totally worth it for the difference in weld quality and lack of spatter. And like mentioned before, the learning curve is faster.
Do you know how much the tank costs?
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I use a 125 and mine are $29 to swap out. I had a 40 and it was $38 to swap out. WTF?

Might be due to the popularity of the size or something. I will try to remember to ask if a bigger bottle is cheaper next time. Maybe I would upgrade.
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Do you know how much the tank costs?

A fucking lot. Buy one used from someone. I got mine with the welder used.
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Old 10-18-2014, 09:16 PM   #4284
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Do you know how much the tank costs?
I believe air gas here wants $160 for a 40. Check craigslist and even local flea markets for one. I traded in a larger o2 tank for my 125 c25, all I paid in the swap was the $29 for the gas.
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Old 10-18-2014, 09:33 PM   #4285
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Even at those prices for a tank, it rally isn't a lot of money. You will have the tank for your entire life. $160 spread out over 50 years. Pffft!

Same goes for a quality MIG welding rig. Sure, 1.5 k or so sounds like a lot, but it will be the only tool you will buy once. I've worn out 4 Port-a-band saws, 8 cordless drills and 3 welding helmets in the same 20+ years of owning my MIG welders.

I have had really poor luck searching the classafieds for used MIG units. In most cases the price is not much less than new or the things just get swooped up before I get a chance to buy them. Lots of times the ones for sale are the chinese knock offs. Good for small amounts of welding, but just don't have the robust build for something that will live in a pretty harsh environment.

I get people asking me to look over a welder that is for sale all the time. I just tell them to buy new. It will be less of a hassle.

Amazon had some refurbished Hobart units a while ago. I wouldn't even think twice. If they were the unit I wanted, I would buy them without heasitation.
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Old 10-18-2014, 10:45 PM   #4286
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A fucking lot. Buy one used from someone. I got mine with the welder used.
lol... might be worth the flux core grinding for a beginner?
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Old 10-18-2014, 11:27 PM   #4287
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Might be due to the popularity of the size or something. I will try to remember to ask if a bigger bottle is cheaper next time. Maybe I would upgrade.
^^^^This. I went from a 40 to an 80 to a 125 everytime I drained them. It was roughly 50-70 more each time and they were already full.

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lol... might be worth the flux core grinding for a beginner?
I NEVER thought it was fun. And I used mine for quite a while.
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Old 10-19-2014, 05:00 AM   #4288
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What size cord wire should I use to MIG weld some coil bucket gussets? Maybe buying all this stuff tomorrow welder, tank, welding gloves, mask, wire, hat, am I missing something? Also what kind off tank do I need?
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What size cord wire should I use to MIG weld some coil bucket gussets? Maybe buying all this stuff tomorrow welder, tank, welding gloves, mask, wire, hat, am I missing something? Also what kind off tank do I need?
Either .035 or .030. and no brand specific tank but you'll want a 75/25 gas mix. And find some kind of long sleeves to prevent the sun burn you can get from the arc.
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Old 10-20-2014, 10:27 PM   #4292
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Saw this innovative antenna tonight.

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Old 10-20-2014, 10:34 PM   #4293
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Old 10-20-2014, 10:34 PM   #4294
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Wtf??
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Old 10-20-2014, 10:51 PM   #4295
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Wtf??
Totally what I said. I guess his work tosses them from time to time-it's got some tungsten wire jammed all the way into the broken antenna. He says it works great.
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Old 10-21-2014, 10:03 AM   #4296
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hey guys I've got a quick question.

I've been using a millermatic mig welder for a little while and sometimes my welds come out really good, other times it pops and spits. sometimes it seems like its situations where I can't get the surface ground down real well, other times IDK what causes it. sometimes it will start popping and make little balls and then all of a sudden it will start burning great and make a nice looking weld. I've read that not enough gas causes porosity, so i've tried turning the gas up more, then turning it down a bit, all the while keeping it above 20 when i pull the trigger.

any advice is appreciated
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I run my gas at 28. Bad ground contact comes to mind first. Or too much stick out. Could be a number of things though. I've even heard of fluctuating input amperage causing similar issues.
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Old 10-21-2014, 10:46 AM   #4298
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Sounds like a grounding or wire feed issue. Make sure ground connections are tight and have good contact to the work piece.
As for feed, make sure the liner/gun lead is not kinked or twisted when trying to weld and that the feed rollers have adequate tension and arent slipping.
Changing a liner if it hasnt been done for a while might be a good preventative maintenance and way to tick one of the possibilities off the list.

On another note, all the above are good on my miller 251 but sometimes it'll have a start where it tries to sputter and pop, i've found simply letting off the trigger then pulling it again it'll weld smooth and normal. I havent figured out why it does this, seems to do it every 10th start or so.
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I've noticed the shotgun starts once in a while with both the 251 and 252 I used to use. My century welder doesn't do it for whatever reason.
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Sounds more like you have an intermittent gas issue. Any kinks in the hose? How is the liner?
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