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Old 10-02-2013, 05:33 PM   #1
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Did Outlaw Fasteners Come Out With the World’s Best Screw?

Did Outlaw Fasteners Come Out With the World’s Best Screw?



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The Hype

No more stripped screws.
No more dropped screws.
No more screw wobble.
No more deck board jacking.
No more bit changes.
No more pilot holes.
No more hole splinters.
Less frustration, quicker work, saved time.
Reality Check

In the literature Outlaw sent over, there is a chart that compares their fasteners to slotted, Robertson (square), Phillips, and Torx screw styles. There, Outlaw points out that their UniGrip driving bit engages their fasteners with 18 points of contact, compared to at most 6 points of contact with Torx drive bits and screws. This is the only marketing claim I find to be disagreeable, and that’s because I feel the comparison of points of contact to be factual but misleading.
So let’s take another look at Outlaw’s marketing claims.
No more stripped screws. True, at least compared to Phillips screws.
No more dropped screws. True, at least when driving new screws, and without magnets.
No more screw wobble. True, there’s no room for side-to-side play, which allows for more precise placement.
No more deck board jacking. I didn’t test for this, but can see how it works.
No more bit changes. True, thanks to the UniGrip design.
No more pilot holes. True, but only when working with certain materials (such as decking boards).
No more hole splinters. True, the countersinking head works quite well.
UniGrip Driving System


The UniGrip driving system is based on a stepped hexagonal design. Smaller fasteners have a 2-step recess, larger ones have a wider 3-step recess to allow for higher torques.
I should mention that bit-fastener engagement at the widest hex step seems to be a little shallow. This doesn’t seem to affect screw driving one bit, and if the larger screws had deeper 3rd step recesses, their heads might become comically large. Still, it’s an observation worth mentioning.
Outlaw’s UniGrip screw fitment is designed to hold tight and never cam out.
The Screws


As mentioned, forget about the 18 driving points part, it’s misleading. But to Outlaw’s credit, a substantial amount of engineering went into their new screws.
First, there’s the UniGrip screw head that ensures you can use the same screwdriver bit for any Outlaw screw. On the under side of the screw heads are rigid ribs that helps the screws sit a little better in self-countersunk holes without requiring a separate operation.
At the opposite end of the screws, self-drilling points allow you to skip over the need to drill pilot holes. You should still drill pilot holes when working near edges or with harder wood materials, but even then self-drilling points are a boon.
The sharp self-drilling tips, 1/2-length partial threads (compared to 2/3-length partial threads) and self-cleaning ribbed knurls help prevent board jacking, where the a top board lifts up as the screw starts to engage the bottom board.
Right now there are two material options – stainless steel or steel with ACQ finish coating for use in pressure-treated lumber. These fasteners have corrosion resistant enough to have passed 1,000 hour salt spray testing certification.
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:35 PM   #2
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You have to get past the cheesy video
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Old 10-02-2013, 05:42 PM   #4
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You have to get past the cheesy video
It's a cool product, but I don't see it being a huge hit. I'll bet those screws are fairly expensive and torx-head exterior screws are already doing pretty well (and the old fashioned Philips head will not die out any time soon).
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It's a cool product, but I don't see it being a huge hit. I'll bet those screws are fairly expensive and torx-head exterior screws are already doing pretty well (and the old fashioned Philips head will not die out any time soon).

They need to outlaw flat head screws
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I would tend to think that a pornstar holds that title currently but
I see what you've done here
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Screw the porn puns
I'm waiting for pete to weigh in on this
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New.. Sure fine and dandy. 10 years on a deck or wall and say you wanna take a few boards off... 18 points of contact sounds like to me it wont fit anymore. Even using a Philips or Robinson bit full or dirt and corrosion sucks
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Looks pretty good though pete, explain your argument, which was notably short and predictable
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The screw head design needs tight forging tolerances for it to work. I think once they put the screw to mass production, they'll realize each screw costs 3 times as much to manufacture as robertson or torx screws, and never gain traction with any distributor...
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