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bmka87 06-12-2013 06:14 AM

Anyone know how to fix washing machines?
 
I've been fighting with my washing machine for a while and can usually find the issue. This time, not so much. I've got an older (90's-early 2000's maybe) Kenmore top loader. Switch it to wash cycle and it fills with water, then nothing. I can switch it to spin cycle and it drains that way, and the machine spins. No rinse or wash cycle though. I don't have the money to go buy a new one right now.....

Anyone else had this situation before?

Sandman614 06-12-2013 06:19 AM

If it spins on the drain cycle I doubt it's a belt, unless there is more than one. My guess would be the knob/timer is bad or dirty.

Janster 06-12-2013 06:21 AM

The machine spins?

Open up the unit and look underneath..... Also, open up the panel where all the switches are, look for any loose wires/plugs.

Inspect circuit board for any 'fried' components.

Google it...

The unit is 13+ years old...it's probably time for a new one.

Janster 06-12-2013 06:24 AM

Oh ...and this:
http://applianceguru.com/category1/

Search your brand/model #

bmka87 06-12-2013 06:33 AM

It spins and drains (thank god), when I move the knob to the spin cycle. I can't hear the motor run after it's done filling, but the knob timer keeps turning as if everything was working perfectly, except doesn't switch cycles on it's own (From wash to rinse, to spin).

Thanks for the link, i'll check that out. I'm going through google now and reading some write-ups for fixing the motor coupler, but I don't think it's that if it still spins. Maybe dead motor, espeically if i can't hear it?

Janster 06-12-2013 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by bmka87 (Post 7017289)
It spins and drains (thank god), when I move the knob to the spin cycle. I can't hear the motor run after it's done filling, but the knob timer keeps turning as if everything was working perfectly, except doesn't switch cycles on it's own (From wash to rinse, to spin).

Thanks for the link, i'll check that out. I'm going through google now and reading some write-ups for fixing the motor coupler, but I don't think it's that if it still spins. Maybe dead motor, espeically if i can't hear it?

If its spinning....I would tend to believe the MAIN DRIVE motor & belt are fine.

There could be other motors - aka actuators, control modules, switches, etc - that cycle at certain points. If those actuators aren't cycling, the washer won't progress into the next cycle (per say). The system is looking for that input from the actuator ...and never gets it.

We had a Maytag Neptune that had a circuit board component fail which blew out a Wax motor. Who the frick ever heard of a wax motor?? Apparently, this little mechanism had wax in it that was energized/melted which prompted a shaft/signal to lock the door (front loader). If the door wasn't locked, the machine would just sit there after the wash cycle .... I'm not sure why it didn't get this 'lock' signal prior to starting the wash cycle. I guess it wasn't that 'advanced' LOL Maytag Neptune

joes06tacoma 06-12-2013 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bmka87 (Post 7017232)
I've been fighting with my washing machine for a while and can usually find the issue. This time, not so much. I've got an older (90's-early 2000's maybe) Kenmore top loader. Switch it to wash cycle and it fills with water, then nothing. I can switch it to spin cycle and it drains that way, and the machine spins. No rinse or wash cycle though. I don't have the money to go buy a new one right now.....

Anyone else had this situation before?

Most Kenmores are Whirlpool built and will have a 110.------ model number. Assuming that, if it spins, the motor, motor capacitor, drive coupler (no belt on those), transmission, clutch are okay. Lid switch is okay too.

This is what I do all day, it's an unusual problem to have with the Whirlpools, usually it's a bad timer. You don't mention any noise coming from the motor like it's trying to start, there are two motor windings and the motor will usually hum when trying to start on only one winding, which is the most common scenario when dealing with a bad timer.

Like Janster said, check the wiring connections, a loose one will usually discolor the plastic connector and lead you right to it.

bmka87 06-12-2013 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by joes06tacoma (Post 7017532)
Most Kenmores are Whirlpool built and will have a 110.------ model number. Assuming that, if it spins, the motor, motor capacitor, drive coupler (no belt on those), transmission, clutch are okay. Lid switch is okay too.

This is what I do all day, it's an unusual problem to have with the Whirlpools, usually it's a bad timer. You don't mention any noise coming from the motor like it's trying to start, there are two motor windings and the motor will usually hum when trying to start on only one winding, which is the most common scenario when dealing with a bad timer.

Like Janster said, check the wiring connections, a loose one will usually discolor the plastic connector and lead you right to it.


I'll check the connections and take off the control panel tonight when I get home from work to see if I can see anything. I really have no experience on understanding how these things work, but it seems to me that the timer works fine (after it quits the knob is still going but stops when it enters the rinse cycle) and there is no noise whatsoever once the water stops filling.

joes06tacoma 06-12-2013 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bmka87 (Post 7017645)
I'll check the connections and take off the control panel tonight when I get home from work to see if I can see anything. I really have no experience on understanding how these things work, but it seems to me that the timer works fine (after it quits the knob is still going but stops when it enters the rinse cycle) and there is no noise whatsoever once the water stops filling.

Funny thing: I told you that what you have is a rare set of symptoms, then I walk into the office this morning and our dispatcher is describing the same thing with her Kenmore, except hers won't spin. It does sound like bad cams or contacts inside the timer, the timer motor itself still activates the switches, the contacts just aren't doing what needs to be done.

Get the part number off the timer itself and type it into google......sometimes you can get a deal on Ebay or Amazon. There are companies who rebuild timers as well. Whirlpool parts have really gone up lately.

bmka87 06-13-2013 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by joes06tacoma (Post 7020292)
Funny thing: I told you that what you have is a rare set of symptoms, then I walk into the office this morning and our dispatcher is describing the same thing with her Kenmore, except hers won't spin. It does sound like bad cams or contacts inside the timer, the timer motor itself still activates the switches, the contacts just aren't doing what needs to be done.

Get the part number off the timer itself and type it into google......sometimes you can get a deal on Ebay or Amazon. There are companies who rebuild timers as well. Whirlpool parts have really gone up lately.

Wow, small world! I didn't get a chance to take off the control panel last night, had some unexpected things come up...I'm glad you wrote that about the timer though. I tried it again this morning and let it go through the full cycle. I put it on normal wash and let it do it's thing. It didn't do anything during the wash cycle (no sound of anything kicking on the motor at all, just silent) but went through the rinse cycle (spun and everything), and the spin cycle fine.

I think I found the timer, does this look right??

http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Timer/3946475/546898?modelNumber=110.92588210

bmka87 06-13-2013 06:42 AM

Oh and I found the model number.....

Kenmore Washing Machine Model 110.92588210

127.0.0.1 06-13-2013 06:55 AM

tip

if you replace it never buy kenmore again, there are numerous
examples of extreme cost-cutting and components intended to fail,
not just shabby or low quality, but actually intended to fail after XYZ uses

front loader Kenmore are the worst culprit, but knowing 'this is how
sears holdings operates a business
' makes me spend my funds direct
to whirlpool or LG.

Hoyal 06-13-2013 06:58 AM

I fought with my GE for a few weeks. Ended up finding a used place and paid $300 for a slightly used front loading firgidare MSPR was $900.

bmka87 06-13-2013 01:23 PM

After looking up parts and thinking that if the timer doesn't fix the issue, I've been looking at new as an option. I found this....

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Whirlpool...3#BVRRWidgetID

any thoughts? Reviews are all over the place. I'm up in the air between paying the $100 bucks for the part and attempting to fix it myself, or buying new.

I never thought about used, I'll check that out next!

Hoyal 06-13-2013 01:27 PM

Used was awesome. I bought new last time and they only lasted a few years. The set was like $1300. So finding a used front loader for $300 and not really caring now if it only lasts me 3 years. But hopefully it will last longer.

triplejjj 06-13-2013 01:48 PM

Go to this site, then go to answers. Search with your model number and look for someone with a similar problem or ask a question describing your issue and some one will answer.
I have had good results, it is a Sears web site so I'm sure it'll help.
http://www.managemylife.com

Janster 06-13-2013 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmka87 (Post 7023856)
After looking up parts and thinking that if the timer doesn't fix the issue, I've been looking at new as an option. I found this....

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Whirlpool...3#BVRRWidgetID

any thoughts? Reviews are all over the place. I'm up in the air between paying the $100 bucks for the part and attempting to fix it myself, or buying new.

I never thought about used, I'll check that out next!

Are you absolutely certain that $100 part will fix the problem?
Chances are... You're not totally sure. You might be on borrowed time. A washer that old, you may want to consider new.

I love front loaders. Had a Maytag Neptune for 15 years (limped it along)-never buy one of those again. We ended up with Samsung front loaders.

joes06tacoma 06-13-2013 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmka87 (Post 7021857)
Wow, small world! I didn't get a chance to take off the control panel last night, had some unexpected things come up...I'm glad you wrote that about the timer though. I tried it again this morning and let it go through the full cycle. I put it on normal wash and let it do it's thing. It didn't do anything during the wash cycle (no sound of anything kicking on the motor at all, just silent) but went through the rinse cycle (spun and everything), and the spin cycle fine.

I think I found the timer, does this look right??

http://www.repairclinic.com/PartDetail/Timer/3946475/546898?modelNumber=110.92588210

Yep, and I love their return policy! :cool:

Swank 06-13-2013 06:25 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgg1WUJhUc4

That ought to do the trick. ^

joes06tacoma 06-13-2013 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmka87 (Post 7023856)
After looking up parts and thinking that if the timer doesn't fix the issue, I've been looking at new as an option. I found this....

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Whirlpool...3#BVRRWidgetID

any thoughts? Reviews are all over the place. I'm up in the air between paying the $100 bucks for the part and attempting to fix it myself, or buying new.

I never thought about used, I'll check that out next!

That front loader has been pretty reliable. If you get one, use the correct "he" detergent and do not over soap it! If you use the bulk detergent from Costco (non "he"), you will destroy the bearings within a couple years and Whirlpool won't help you.


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