Now THIS is an engine Toyota needs to take notes on

I think this 2.7L engine offers 325 TQ starting under 2k RPMs. I can't find any dyno sheets for the 2.7L but here is a chart which shows how the TQ is there early on other TT EcoBoost engines (there are plenty of actual dyno sheets out there if you want a more detailed look). - link

 

so they have a 3.5 and a 2.7 v6 ecoboost option for the 150? and not really a substainial gain in mpg for that latter to justify not having 420 ft/lbs of tq? i know they claimed the 3.5 got 22 which may be a bit of a stretch i guess, or are they replacing the 3.5 with the 2.7? i mean i can get 22 driving pretty normal in my tacoma, so 23 isnt that impressive out of a much smaller motor

 

I could never bring myself to fall into that blind brand loyalty mentality. I like to try and take an objective look at everything out there, regardless of what I happen to own at the time. Also, I have no problem switching brands if there is a better product available when I decide to buy...whether that purchase happens to be a vehicle or a new pair of boots.

 

We don't know the official MPG ratings yet and how they compare, to be fair. It will be interesting to see how much of a MPG premium there is for the 2.7. Also, it's not even available in the upper level trims (King Ranch and Platinum), so the effeciencies must lose out once the weight gets up there.

You may get 22 out of your Tacoma, but in this instance, they are getting 23 MPG while driving a bigger truck that has 325 HP/ 375 torque and can tow 8,000 lbs. So all things equal, it's impressive to me.

 

I'm pretty sure the 2.7L is replacing the NA V6, with the other pre-2015 engine options still available (including the 3.5L EcoBoost). I haven't really looked into it that closely though so I might be wrong.

 

To touch on my original post. Does anybody have insight into Toyota's plans for future engine upgrades in their Tacoma trucks? I've researched this topic a bit and I haven't been able to find anything that suggests they plan to do move beyond their existing engines, which is a bit disappointing IMO.

 

The NA 3.7 V6 was replaced by a NA 3.5 V6. The 2.7 is slotted in between the 3.7 V6 and 5.0 V8, and the 3.5 Eco is the "new" premium motor, replacing the 6.2 V8.

So basically, 2014's 3.7, 5.0, 3.5 Eco, and 6.2 were replaced with 3.5, 2.7 Eco, 5.0, and 3.5 Eco. The 5.0 also got a 25 HP and 7 torque rating bump.

 

They already put a stronger variant of our 4.0 in the 4Runner. It makes 34 more HP and 12 more lb-ft of torque.

 

Considering the Taco engine is 9 years old at this point I think it's doing well. I do think it should come with the supercharger stock which would up the game and keep the truck in the running until the next gen gets released in a year or two.

 

This is my first Toyota (not counting my old Scion). I can see now why they cost what they do and why people keep buying them. But I'm not a blind loyalist. Toyota has their faults as well. The recent recall demonstrates that. I've owned three Fords and my parents own two now. I'm well acquainted with Ford quality or lack there of. As well as three local dealers service departments. Spent a lot of time there, ya see. I just disagree that Ford is putting out that much of a better product for Toyota to actual give a rat's ass and rush the development process just to compete with the latest dog and pony show. Besides, a new vehicle/engine takes years to develop. The new Tacoma is just a year away. So quit whining about it already. Chill. Have a beer.

 

the taco motor is actually 11 (really 12) years old, as it debuted in the 4th gen 4runner if memory serves me correctly. and i would venture to say it was at the top of its game for truck v6 in 2003 as far as power goes.

 

But you dont get that torque/HP when getting those MPG. Like I said, its one or the other.

The extra power has to be generated by extra fuel; turbos don't give free HP. The engine produces those performance number when the turbo is spooled and the engine is dumping a shit ton of fuel into its cylinders. You only get the high MPGs when the engine is running off boost, ie just a regular 2.7L V6. What kind of HP/torque do you think you get with a naturally aspired 2.7L V6? No one is going to enjoy driving this truck like a neutered Prius.

As mentioned many times over, look at the average MPGs for the 3.7L ecoboost, they are very comparable to the Tundra.
The MPG's are valid as its possible to achieve them but no ever will (except your grandpa).

 

New Fords are junk. I would stay away from any new turbo gas vehicle though.

 

Is this the same engine that used to be in the RAV4? My wife's 2008 Rav4 put out 269 hp.

Problem with this solution is that it doesn't address the MPG issue. Sure it'll give you more HP but it'll also force people to buy premium gas. I for one wouldn't select that. And I'm pretty sure that my fuel economy will be already worse than the bad mileage I'm getting now.

I don't think anyone has said that Ford's quality is better than Toyota's. Most have simply stated that Ford has put more technology into their engines than Toyota has. This technology is addressing the needs of the customers; ie more power with better fuel economy. And as far as Toyota being only a year away with providing it's customers with ground breaking technological upgrades, I haven't seen it. From what I've ready, it sounds like a bunch of people simply speculating when it's going to happen. I'm pretty sure not a single person here knows exactly when it'll happen and what will be the upgrades.

David

 

They get the HP at max boost and max RPM that is the only way for a small displacement engine to achieve that. 3 liter F1 cars do in excess of 600HP how practical is that? Twin turbo’s have been around a long time in a V configured arrangement There is a great amount of merit to the K.I.S.S principle particularly in the case of long term reliability. Toyota produced hundreds of thousands of ”R” series engines in pretty much anything Toyota they were not power plants but they ran for ever doing things that most engines of the size would never do I owned a Toyota MH that had a 22RE engine it weighted 6000# but it took me where ever I wanted to go. Toyota builds trucks as such and they have proven them self’s year after year so why fix it if it isn’t broken. Frankly I have no need for 350 HP and added complexity. The little Ford will never see 10 MPG at max power.

 

I believe that was a 3.5L V6. The 4Runner has a 4.0.

 

many years ago..

Way older.

Same 4.0 engine in the FJ cruiser as the Tacoma back in the day ...guess what? FJ manual called for premium gas.

The ONLY reason the 4.0 in the Tacoma says it can take regular is to lower the annual fuel costs on the window sticker. Pick up trucks are necessity items...FJ cruisers are luxury toys.

The 4.0 should run on premium.

 

I suspected the reasoning for removing it from the manual was something like this. I couldn't imagine they actually changed anything to lift the requirement.

 

Who is "whining" Chris? Just curious since some of us are simply trying to have a discussion about trucks, on a truck forum. Imagine that...

If you don't like the topic of discussion here you can always go check out the funny picture thread or something. (-:

 

Fair enough with the premium gas. I used to own an Audi so premium is what I'm used to.

Really Toyota just needs to get a 300hp direct-injected v6 with dual VVT heads. That would make the taco a lot more peppy but wouldn't be a game changer.

In my mind the game changer would be something like a 2.0 turbo 4 banger with an 8 speed trans. Or a supercharged (as an option perhaps) 350hp v6 with a wide-ratio 6 speed.

I'm a huge fan of turbos though and would love seeing a small 2.0 turbo 4-banger in the taco. Premium gas or not.