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Old 01-25-2013, 09:47 PM   #41
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I think this tank is awsome but i wouldnt want that much weight on one side of the truck. so i think if i ever did something like this i would put a tank on the other side aswell in order to even the weight out.
An extra 15 gallons is only ~130 lbs more. If you've got the cash for this, you probably can spring for the upgraded suspension that makes that negligible.

And since it replaces the stock system, it's much simpler solution - a secondary tank adds a lot of other moving parts that provide opportunity for failure.

There is no requirement to keep the tank full at all times. When you're using all that capacity, you'll have plenty of other gear to balance it out. Plus, you don't need to have to full all the time when not otherwise loaded.

Point is - it's possible to overstate the effects of having the fuel tank aligned to one side.
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What material is the tank made of?

Aluminum, stainless steel?

**Edit** I just read the link.... it's aluminum.
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An extra 15 gallons is only ~130 lbs more. If you've got the cash for this, you probably can spring for the upgraded suspension that makes that negligible.

And since it replaces the stock system, it's much simpler solution - a secondary tank adds a lot of other moving parts that provide opportunity for failure.

There is no requirement to keep the tank full at all times. When you're using all that capacity, you'll have plenty of other gear to balance it out. Plus, you don't need to have to full all the time when not otherwise loaded.

Point is - it's possible to overstate the effects of having the fuel tank aligned to one side.
Of course, one big tank becomes a single point of failure.

Frankly, I'd rather have an a second tank with it's own fuel pump on the opposite side with a simple, manual valve system to perform the changeover. No need to transfer fuel, it's a largely redundant fuel system (that's good, btw), and with better weight distribution. Just a guess, but an existing, plastic fuel tank could be found in a salvage yard and mounted under the bed for less than the cost of a Megatank.
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Honestly, that's a bad design if I do say so...

First off, it'll interfear with most under armor.
Second, you'd need to make a hell of an armor piece to protect it from puncture on an expo rig.
Third, seems like it'd be in the way of any decent travel on the rear suspension as well?
Fourth... mad taco lean, can be compensated for... but this could be fixed by using the pass side as well for a tank design...
Fifth... dual tanks with switch is better for expo as you have less failure points... and costs about the same or less.
Sixth... seems like air pockets with that much routing would be an issue.
Seventh... I'd be VERY concerned with how close the y-pipe is getting to that thing and the heat it'll get exposed to there. Any vapor leaks.... .....

Still, props for the concept, but no thanks.
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Found this for you guys, you could put some nice bumpers on it and a roof top tent and would be good to go.
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:31 AM   #46
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Found this for you guys, you could put some nice bumpers on it and a roof top tent and would be good to go.
8WD would be pretty good for an expo rig.
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So with the added weight of the tank and higher fuel capacity you would be adding around 210lbs with full tank
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Honestly, that's a bad design if I do say so...

First off, it'll interfear with most under armor.
Second, you'd need to make a hell of an armor piece to protect it from puncture on an expo rig.
Third, seems like it'd be in the way of any decent travel on the rear suspension as well?
Fourth... mad taco lean, can be compensated for... but this could be fixed by using the pass side as well for a tank design...
Fifth... dual tanks with switch is better for expo as you have less failure points... and costs about the same or less.
Sixth... seems like air pockets with that much routing would be an issue.
Seventh... I'd be VERY concerned with how close the y-pipe is getting to that thing and the heat it'll get exposed to there. Any vapor leaks.... .....

Still, props for the concept, but no thanks.
I would be more concerned with the square edges. There is a reason the original tank isn't squared off like that. Likely to have more fatigue failures.
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Found this for you guys, you could put some nice bumpers on it and a roof top tent and would be good to go.
But you need an extra fuel pump to pump the gas from the big tank to the little one...too much work.
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Honestly, that's a bad design if I do say so...

First off, it'll interfear with most under armor.
Second, you'd need to make a hell of an armor piece to protect it from puncture on an expo rig. 1st and 2nd remedied with a skid plate they can create in house
Third, seems like it'd be in the way of any decent travel on the rear suspension as well?not in the way of rear or front travel. Hangs no lower than anything else
Fourth... mad taco lean, can be compensated for... but this could be fixed by using the pass side as well for a tank design...pretty hard to cross the driveline with a fuel tank, driver noted 1/2" of lean, easily fixed by adjusting coilovers
Fifth... dual tanks with switch is better for expo as you have less failure points... and costs about the same or less. how does adding a secondary tank, extra lines, extra pump, extra gauges mean less failure points?
Sixth... seems like air pockets with that much routing would be an issue.tank fills up exactly as it should, no sloshing to speak of
Seventh... I'd be VERY concerned with how close the y-pipe is getting to that thing and the heat it'll get exposed to there. Any vapor leaks.... .....
being that it was done at an exhaust shop I think they took care of this. Not sure though.

Check out the actual article for this thing, it's flipping sweet and answers most (as I pointed out in bold) of your questions

Still, props for the concept, but no thanks.
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Old 01-26-2013, 09:57 AM   #51
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Honestly, that's a bad design if I do say so...

First off, it'll interfear with most under armor.
Second, you'd need to make a hell of an armor piece to protect it from puncture on an expo rig.
Third, seems like it'd be in the way of any decent travel on the rear suspension as well?
Fourth... mad taco lean, can be compensated for... but this could be fixed by using the pass side as well for a tank design...
Fifth... dual tanks with switch is better for expo as you have less failure points... and costs about the same or less.
Sixth... seems like air pockets with that much routing would be an issue.
Seventh... I'd be VERY concerned with how close the y-pipe is getting to that thing and the heat it'll get exposed to there. Any vapor leaks.... .....

Still, props for the concept, but no thanks.
Its just a gas tank its not carrying nuclear waste....your way over thinking this....props to the OP I don't think a lot of people here understand the whole expo theme and hate on the product that was custom built...
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Yeeeaaa..... a lot of expeditioners have their spare tire removed from the factory location which opens up a perfect place for a secondary fuel cell thats tucked up out of the way and wouldn't be hard to install. Much more practical than spending $2k on a tank then spending another large chunk on a custom skid to cover it. Thats a lot of F-in money.
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Ben, an auxiliary fuel system is not a bad thing. Designed as I mentioned above, it amounts to an entirely separate, redundant fuel system that'd be fully capable of replacing the primary system. Redundancy is a desireable goal in this type of application, not a long list of additional points of failure. Designed as I described, the primary fuel pump, tank, and hoses could all be destroyed or out of service due to contamination, and the vehicle would be able to continue normal operations by switching to the second tank.

One Megatank is a weakness. I don't begrudge the folks that prefer that approach, but I don't agree with their decision.
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Its just a gas tank its not carrying nuclear waste....your way over thinking this....props to the OP I don't think a lot of people here understand the whole expo theme and hate on the product that was custom built...
I've explained why I wouldn't use this system and it has nothing to do with nuclear waste, money, hate, or a lack of understanding.
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I've explained why I wouldn't use this system and it has nothing to do with nuclear waste, money, hate, or a lack of understanding.
Ummmm....ok??
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Its just a gas tank its not carrying nuclear waste....your way over thinking this....props to the OP I don't think a lot of people here understand the whole expo theme and hate on the product that was custom built...
Quite the contrary, my rig is being built toward expo. I just think this particular design, is not good. That's all.


Also as for failure, dual tank gives you two points of failure for puncture, that's what I meant. In the middle of BFE... that's some nice reassurance to have a secondary tank unaffected should something happen.
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Ummmm....ok??
I quoted your post and responded directly to it. What is it you don't understand?
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I'm wondering if there will be problems keeping the pickup submerged. The stock tank has a low spot so that gas will generally stay at the pickup if you are inclined.

That tank looks very long and flat bottomed, like on an incline all the gas shifts to 1 end or the other?
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I quoted your post and responded directly to it. What is it you don't understand?
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Quite the contrary, my rig is being built toward expo. I just think this particular design, is not good. That's all.


Also as for failure, dual tank gives you two points of failure for puncture, that's what I meant. In the middle of BFE... that's some nice reassurance to have a secondary tank unaffected should something happen.
For further illustration, I've been on a backpacking trip and had a 3L Camelbak bladder fail. I didn't want to hike several miles back to the Colorado River, and I didn't have to, because I had three 1L Platypus bottles of water stored in my pack. If I'd only had one big container of water, that would've been a long, dry hike to the campsite.
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