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Protection. 412 33.33%
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Old 10-12-2013, 11:24 AM   #381
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Hunted a little as a teenager, but Publix is too convenient now. Now just the range for practice and we keep a couple handy when we travel.

Used once for protection about 35 years ago. Was making a late night bank deposit when some punk stepped up, put something sharp against my side and asked for the bag (Saturday night's restaurant receipts). All I could think about was how hard we had worked for that money! Anyway, I gave it to him and when he turned to run, I turned and took out his kneecap - from behind. He dropped, I sat down and held the gun on him. There was a cop patrolling nearby, who heard the shot and came right over. It wasn't like the movies, I was still mad!

This was back when cops knew who the good guys and bad guys were, so once he assessed the situation (the punk was still screaming and still holding my deposit bag), he came over, smiled and told me I should have aimed higher.

I only wanted to stop the thief, not kill him, but I didn't fully know the ways of the world. The cop explained that the thief could sue me for damages. I was nervous for a few years, but nothing ever happened. The thief pled guilty so I never had to testify. I was lucky.

I think I saw him a few years later. A guy was walking my way with a severe limp and when he got close, he got this wierd look of fear in his eyes and went way around me. I dunno - could have been him?

It heightened my awareness of surroundings and nobody can sneak up on me anymore! That was my mistake.
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Hunted a little as a teenager, but Publix is too convenient now. Now just the range for practice and we keep a couple handy when we travel.

Used once for protection about 35 years ago. Was making a late night bank deposit when some punk stepped up, put something sharp against my side and asked for the bag (Saturday night's restaurant receipts). All I could think about was how hard we had worked for that money! Anyway, I gave it to him and when he turned to run, I turned and took out his kneecap - from behind. He dropped, I sat down and held the gun on him. There was a cop patrolling nearby, who heard the shot and came right over. It wasn't like the movies, I was still mad!

This was back when cops knew who the good guys and bad guys were, so once he assessed the situation (the punk was still screaming and still holding my deposit bag), he came over, smiled and told me I should have aimed higher.

I only wanted to stop the thief, not kill him, but I didn't fully know the ways of the world. The cop explained that the thief could sue me for damages. I was nervous for a few years, but nothing ever happened. The thief pled guilty so I never had to testify. I was lucky.

I think I saw him a few years later. A guy was walking my way with a severe limp and when he got close, he got this wierd look of fear in his eyes and went way around me. I dunno - could have been him?

It heightened my awareness of surroundings and nobody can sneak up on me anymore! That was my mistake.
glad you made it ok ok from that situation.
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Old 10-14-2013, 06:41 AM   #383
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just finished taking my CCW course (with my dad) although I've owned guns for protection forever. My wife took it about a year ago, and I decided to ask permission the state for permission to protect myself :/

I hunt and target shoot, but carrying for protection is a big responsibility. It should be the last resort, and only to protect you or someone else from dying. Everything else (protection of property for instance) shouldn't require taking a human life.

That being said, I like the story that Minibike just told us. In the middle east, he would have lost a hand instead of a shot to the knee.
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Old 10-20-2013, 05:59 PM   #384
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Protection and hunting.. We have a "shortened" shotgun behind the door.. And my dad caries a few hang-guns in and out of his truck.
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Old 10-20-2013, 06:07 PM   #385
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Target shooting. And I love target shooting.

As to the poll: My grandfather was a cop his entire working life. He thought owning a firearm for "protection" without proper training - and I'm not talking about range training, I'm talking "go do a few years on the force" training - was akin to suicide. So my firearms stay in a safe. I'm under no illusions that I can outgun a criminal. They have experience, after all. I do not.

As for hunting, I am totally down but require someone to show me how to properly dress/butcher the unlucky critter I bag, as I've never done it before. And I should probably get a chest freezer.
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Old 10-20-2013, 06:15 PM   #386
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As to the poll: My grandfather was a cop his entire working life. He thought owning a firearm for "protection" without proper training - and I'm not talking about range training, I'm talking "go do a few years on the force" training - was akin to suicide. So my firearms stay in a safe. I'm under no illusions that I can outgun a criminal. They have experience, after all. I do not.
I have to disagree with the bolded sections.

No disrespect to law enforcement, but civilians that train regularly with FOF drills and spend multiple days a month at the range are every bit as effective defending themselves with firearms. There is evidence to suggest they may be better trained, because you rarely hear about this stuff with civilian DGUs:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/08/25...olice-gunfire/

As for defensive gun use, most criminals don't train with their weapons at all. They're relying on the intimidation factor of the weapon's presence to eliminate resistance altogether. Most stories of personal defense involve the assailant making the first illegal move, followed by finding out the intended victim is armed and prepared to settle the situation, followed by the prospective mugger/assaulter/robber/rapist/etc. getting the fuck out of dodge either on foot or on a stretcher.

In the event you do encounter a weapon wielding psycho intent on doing you harm that is at a higher skill level, would you rather go out fighting or begging?
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Old 10-21-2013, 05:23 PM   #387
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I'm a proud supporter of the right to bear arms, the constitution, and the second amendment. If you so choose to not be firearm owner so be it, that's your roll of the dice.

But private citizen's who own guns with the ever so slight hint of owning them to use in self defense should seek out as much real life oriented self defense firearms training and practice as a afford. And no a CHL class is not sufficient to what I'm referring to. With a little bit of ammo and money for formal training in the past year I've likely received more advanced pistol training than your average street patrol police officer will in a 10 year period.

I seen one of the above posters make the claim that the average criminal has little experience/practice with firearms and while this may be true for street thug gang banger it ignores the existence of other criminal elements that are far more sophisticated and well armed. It's just these other criminal elements that I refer to make every attempt not to be on the evening news to draw unwanted attention to their organizations.
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Old 10-22-2013, 07:10 AM   #388
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I seen one of the above posters make the claim that the average criminal has little experience/practice with firearms and while this may be true for street thug gang banger it ignores the existence of other criminal elements that are far more sophisticated and well armed. It's just these other criminal elements that I refer to make every attempt not to be on the evening news to draw unwanted attention to their organizations.
Even the clueless thug is at an advantage when he's attacking you. He came prepared and with full intent on using a gun with no real concern over collateral damage or the law. The victim will likely have to draw in defense to an already pointing criminal. That said, many are afraid to fire anyway and often carry an empty gun.
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Even the clueless thug is at an advantage when he's attacking you. He came prepared and with full intent on using a gun with no real concern over collateral damage or the law. The victim will likely have to draw in defense to an already pointing criminal. That said, many are afraid to fire anyway and often carry an empty gun.
Very few incidents involve a criminal actively looking to cause harm. However, it is possible to end up in that situation.

DGU is highly circumstantial. If they're pressing a Beretta into your abdomen, go ahead and give them your wallet. If they're 15 feet away and you have a dumpster one step to your left, that's a tougher situation to figure out.
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I carry almost always, unless I'm in a government building or a school which is rare. I've never needed it and Probably never will, but I like knowing it's there if I have to protect me or a loved one. I also compete in IDPA ,GSSF and USPSA.
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I'm a proud supporter of the right to bear arms, the constitution, and the second amendment. If you so choose to not be firearm owner so be it, that's your roll of the dice.

But private citizen's who own guns with the ever so slight hint of owning them to use in self defense should seek out as much real life oriented self defense firearms training and practice as a afford. And no a CHL class is not sufficient to what I'm referring to. With a little bit of ammo and money for formal training in the past year I've likely received more advanced pistol training than your average street patrol police officer will in a 10 year period.

I seen one of the above posters make the claim that the average criminal has little experience/practice with firearms and while this may be true for street thug gang banger it ignores the existence of other criminal elements that are far more sophisticated and well armed. It's just these other criminal elements that I refer to make every attempt not to be on the evening news to draw unwanted attention to their organizations.
Generally speaking, the "other criminal elements" aren't after grandma's purse, either.

Not everyone who owns a firearm is capable of affording training. Many can barely afford ammunition.
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Old 11-08-2013, 06:09 PM   #393
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i dont hunt...my guns are solely for protection and recreation
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Also, if yall dont mind getting personal, how many of you have had to pull your gun in a protection situation? What were the circumstances?
About 80 miles off shore.
On anchor, another boat was "drifting" towards us.
Occupants appeared to be drunk, kept saying "We'll clear you by a mile"... while they were drifting directly toward us.

They sobered up VERY quickly and GTF out when the 1911 came out.
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I'm not sure if I'd have the balls in a home invasion to do anything other then hide under the covers and piss my pants like an 8 year old.
Then you should not introduce a gun into the situation.
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Old 11-08-2013, 06:09 PM   #394
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Was a maintenance man in some apartments in 1984;was in my early 20's and had a personal protection permit to carry. Saw a peeping tom. I kept my distance and asked him to leave. He said he was checking on his girlfriend. I told him he should try knocking on the door next time and to split. I never showed or drew my pistol. He left.

Pretty much carry all the time. Shoot a lot at the range. Don't hunt anymore.
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That said, many are afraid to fire anyway and often carry an empty gun.
Or an empty chamber, assuming they will have time to fix the problem.
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Everybody listen to this guy, he knows about home defense, take notes.
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Or just fired it thru the door if you're worried about who's outside.
What stupid advice! I would never tell a loved one to waste their only 2 rounds and nobody should randomly shoot that way anyway. It could scare them off, or just provide them with your position and show that you are scared, alone, and holding an empty gun. A 12ga. is NOT easier to shoot than an AR; many people feel it kicks like a mule where an AR kicks like a hamster. The shotgun has the advantage of a spread and more energy, the AR has good sights, mild recoil, accuracy and several rounds. The shotgun comes with the false sense of security that you can point it anywhere in the vicinity of a threat and it'll kill everything in sight with one shot. My GF doesn't like shooting my 12ga, especially with hot loads, but she does it and would use it if needed knowing it'll hurt less than whatever is coming at her. That said, the primary headboard/pocket weapons at home are .38s and 9mm. with the others available and ready to use. My .38s are easier to carry, the 9mm holds 16 lifesavers.
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Not to mention "warning shots" are a misdemeanor.
Felony if the stray round/pellet hurts someone.
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in georgia a "warning shot" could be a felony sine you arent justified in using force if you arent truly in fear
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