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Home Defense: 9mm Semi-auto or 7.62x39mm AK-47?

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9mm Semi-auto pistol 280 78.43%
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Old 12-09-2010, 02:59 PM   #41
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seems friendly to me. I agree chris nothing is more important than being fam. with you weapons but with what the OP threw out there for options I figured he was not that familar with their capibilites and draw backs. In a stressful situation shotgun=simplicity, simplicity=saftey. or a claymore outside you bedroom would word too, might be excessive though
From what I have read from the OP in the past, He seems capable with weapons. Regardless, if given the 2 options as he did, and to make an accurate choice, one does have to ask about which weapon the OP is most comfortable weilding.
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I like the word wield. It makes me think of braveheart.
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Hah, well, I'm actually a transplanted Missourian, but I live here now.
Oh ok, Huntsville, sadly is as good as bama gets. I miss the fishing and hunting but love co. Also to stay on topic Alabama is a Life of Property state with a make my day law meaning if someone is threating your property in OR out of you house it is leagal to engage. It gets gray if they are outside though. I shot a guy with what I thought was bird shot (oops had a slug loaded) who was breaking in my car and was good to go. He also had crack in his pocket and boke into 13 other cars that night. But this is a real topic.
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I like the word wield. It makes me think of braveheart.
LMAO!!

I persoanlly feel very comfortable clearing my house with my 9mm or .45, and leaving my Wife with the AR. We have trained on what to do "if" someone were to break in, and have a "code word/knock". Though she cant make little 1" ragged holes at 100 yards with the AR, she is quite comfortable with operating it in complete darkness, as I found out one night when I came home very early in the AM, while she wasnt expecting me for another 8 hours.
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From what I have read from the OP in the past, He seems capable with weapons. Regardless, if given the 2 options as he did, and to make an accurate choice, one does have to ask about which weapon the OP is most comfortable weilding.
true but weapons are like tools. Just cause your most comfortable with visegrips doesnt mean you will put a whole lift on with just them. Instead you will read, pratice and learn how to use more tools. No diffrent here. I feel like I am overanilyzing what the OP's post was about though
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Bullshit. Birdshot probably wont stop anybody. If you're prepared to shoot be prepared to kill, period. Otherwise get a baseball bat or taser.
This and the quote re the 'wide pattern' of a shotgun are ridiculous.
a fistfull of #6 is a hell of a way to unmotivate somebody....unless they're drugged up, then it doesn't matter what you hit them with.....it's on until they bleed out or you disable the cns.
Pattern your badass shotty at 10 feet and report back to me how wide and awesome it is.
Jeez people.

In re OP, a 9mm handgun with proper ammo and somebody behind it that knows what they're doing will be at the advantage over an AK...too easy to disarm someone with a longgun in close qtrs.
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From what I have read from the OP in the past, He seems capable with weapons. Regardless, if given the 2 options as he did, and to make an accurate choice, one does have to ask about which weapon the OP is most comfortable weilding.
-very comfortable with a pistol (own an XD9, have a CCW permit) and put several hundred rounds through it regularly; wife: i think the only gun she's ever shot, seems comfortable with it, wouldn't bet my life on depending on her shooting someone
-shot a shotgun several times shooting trap (clays), but it was a buddy's semiauto beretta, not too comfortable with it and 'feels' superlong; wife: shot a shotgun 3 times
-not too experienced with a rifle, but plan to train heavily with whatever i get (have some range time on a 30-06). i am currently building an AR, and plan to take a tactical training course after i put some range time in; wife: probably never shot a rifle
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This and the quote re the 'wide pattern' of a shotgun are ridiculous.
a fistfull of #6 is a hell of a way to unmotivate somebody....unless they're drugged up, then it doesn't matter what you hit them with.....it's on until they bleed out or you disable the cns.
Pattern your badass shotty at 10 feet and report back to me how wide and awesome it is.
Jeez people.

In re OP, a 9mm handgun with proper ammo and somebody behind it that knows what they're doing will be at the advantage over an AK...too easy to disarm someone with a longgun in close qtrs.
Who said anything about wide patterns?

http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/bot3.htm

Last page specifically references an ER case where somebody was shot with #6 straight to the chest. He was walking around, bleeding like hell, but he wasn't stopped.

I'll take 00 buck, which is proven to kill people AND deer, and put somebody on their ass. You go ahead with flesh wounds; that's your choice, man.
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yea man I swear by shotguns for CC but I am talking about a tactical shotgun, Trap and Skeet guns are LOOOONG so unless you want to buy a 550 shorty (300 bucks) Id stick with the pistol. However I hate 9mm, just outta personal experiance. I do not want to shoot something twice.
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It's true that any round capable of taking down a large body would easily penetrate sheetrock walls but using a high-velocity round is pointless and more likely imo to go stray.

If your only weapon was a 9mm you could buy frangible ammo but the question wasn't asked like that.

There's nothing that offers the versatilty of a 12g. Can that be agreed? I love the 45ACP, it's my favorite round. Heavy and slow, like me
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Shotgun. I do have 9mm and 7.62x39 in the house but the Mossberg goes with me when things go bump in the night.
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Am I the only one who says it's easier to disarm someone that's holding a long gun than a handgun?
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Am I the only one who says it's easier to disarm someone that's holding a long gun than a handgun?
Yes it is agreed but a mossburg 550 tactical shotgun or shorty are cheap and have a 16-20 inch barrel couple that with a pistol grip or collaspable stock throw a sling on or put it under your arm. the issue in a situation is not the lengh of the weapon it is how long it extends past you body. A pistol aimed right extends the full lengh of your arm with the barrel extending 2-6 inches past your hand, nothing really to grab but if an intruder in within chinch distance can easily swayed left or right. A shorty or tactical shotgun is not much diffrent. the barrel will only extend 6-8 inches past your foward hand. Yes enough to grab but you also have the weapon by two hands. The issue of lengh only comes into play when clearing corners or swinging the weapon and a 7 inch extension is not horrible. My 550 extend 5 inches past my hand, thus the extension of a my shotgun sholdered over my xd-40 drawn and aimed is small and I have more control over the shotgun if someone got their hands on it. Plus you can butt stroke with a shotgun or baseball bat someones face in with it if need be
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Yes it is agreed but a mossburg 550 tactical shotgun or shorty are cheap and have a 16-20 inch barrel couple that with a pistol grip or collaspable stock throw a sling on or put it under your arm. the issue in a situation is not the lengh of the weapon it is how long it extends past you body. A pistol aimed right extends the full lengh of your arm with the barrel extending 2-6 inches past your hand, nothing really to grab but if an intruder in within chinch distance can easily swayed left or right. A shorty or tactical shotgun is not much diffrent. the barrel will only extend 6-8 inches past your foward hand. Yes enough to grab but you also have the weapon by two hands. The issue of lengh only comes into play when clearing corners or swinging the weapon and a 7 inch extension is not horrible. My 550 extend 5 inches past my hand, thus the extension of a my shotgun sholdered over my xd-40 drawn and aimed is small and I have more control over the shotgun if someone got their hands on it. Plus you can butt stroke with a shotgun or baseball bat someones face in with it if need be
That same distance between your hands on the shotty also serves as leverage for the bg that wants to take it from you.
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As others said AK47 way to much
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That same distance between your hands on the shotty also serves as leverage for the bg that wants to take it from you.
no it doesnt, sholder a long gun measure how far out your arms are. Draw a pistol measure how far your arms are. You have two hands firmy on the shotgun. It is easier to deflect a pistol and close the distance. Now in a fight there are 3 distances. Projectile (throwing shootin ect) striking (punches ect) and clinch (hug). Once you give up projectile distance you are fucked. The avearge person with ANY gun can have that weapon nutuerlize by another person at 20 feet before he can effectivly draw aim and shoot. Guns are not cure alls but in close quarters I want a shotty. It is NO EASIER to take away than a pistol and you can melee with it if an intruder moves into striking distance.
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Go with a shotgun. An remington 870, mossberg 500 whatever you want. A shotgun is a much better home defense weapon than any pistol or rifle. But one of these would be a pretty badass defense rifle...
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AKM would be my choice over a pistol or shotgun. As others have mentioned, any round capable of reliably stopping a man will penetrate drywall. On the other hand, the intruder may be wearing a heavy jacket, on drugs, etc., so a rifle cartridge that can stop him within the confines of your home (before he can close the distance) is crucial. If SHTF the AK can be used as an impact weapon, especially with the slant muzzle brake.

From this page: http://www.warriortalknews.com/2010/...our-house.html
There are multiple scenarios for a home invasion, for example:
1. You wake up to the sound of glass breaking downstairs, so you get out of bed and take your gun to investigate. This is the ideal scenario and you can avoid confrontation by barricading yourself in your bedroom and calling 911.
2. The intruder climbs through a bedroom window and you are awakened by the sound of your kids screaming...

For scenario #2 a shotgun would not be precise enough because the intruder could be mingled with family.
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