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Old 12-10-2008, 11:01 AM   #41
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First of all I would like to point out that Canada has not used FACs for years. To own, and purchase firearms you need a PAL (Possession and Acquisition License). These come in two varieties restricted PALs and unrestricted PALs. A restricted PAL allows the owner to own Handguns, and other firearms deemed as "bad" by previous Liberal governments. Although we have had a registration system in place for handguns since the 40's we recently had a long gun registry system put in place, which requires us to register everything from shotguns to bolt action .22s.
Although the government that put it in place swore up and down that this was not a pre-cursor to a ban of all firearms, that same party has recently stated it's intention to ban all semi-automatic firearms restricted or otherwise. And they have a handy database at their finger tips to help them with this process.
Proponents of gun control need to look no further then the UK for the biggest example of the complete and utter failure of gun control. Gun crimes in the UK have gone up astronomically since they banned pretty well all firearm ownership. When you ban private ownership of firearms the only people who have them are criminals. One thing that people don't seem to understand is criminals by definition don't follow laws.
In Canada we have seen our firearm privileges slowly eroded by politician's feel good solutions to complex problems. I have no doubt that in the next decade all private firearm ownership in Canada will come to an end, and once that has occurred, politicians will move onto knives and any other tools they can blame for violent human behavior.
American's have a significant advantage over us in that they have the right to keep and bear arms enshrined in their constitution. I would urge you to be vigilant when it comes to protecting this right. Once it's gone it's gone for good.
 
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Gun crimes in the UK did indeed jump up the first few years after the ban. However they have leveled off and are on the decline. The number of homicides committed with firearms has remained between a range of 46 and 97 for the past decade, standing at 50 in 2005/06 (a fall from 75 the previous year). I would say the Uk is a great example of gun control working, the police don't even need to carry guns. Im sorry OxyMaroon if I have made condescending statements, I did not intend to insult you or your country, I just feel that handguns should serve no purpose in this world other then in the hands of LEO's and military. Its obvious that they do serve a purpose to some people. We are facing a much larger problem then gun control today, and I know guns have nothing to do with it. I just hate turning on the tv and hearing about another school shooting, or X number people gunned down somewhere. It doesn't matter to me if its in Canada, US or Africa, we are all on this planet together, and most of those guns across the world came from the US. As for prison comparison. The US has 5% of the worlds population, and 45% of there inmates.
 
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Im not a liberal, criminals do buy firearms legally, they have been traced back to stores who sold 10-15 hand guns at a time. There is even class action law suits in the works against Colt, and other gun companies for selling there guns to criminals. Enforcement of the law is the answer. As well as stopping the few shops that aren't following said laws. Someone that sells guns should have a pretty good background check I would think? How does one get a firearm permit? Is there any courses on gun safety? What happens to the guns that are taken off of criminals?
if the shop is not following the law then once again the criminal is STILL buying the firearm illegally...

in SC you have to be run thru the State Law Enforcement Division in order to purchase a handgun...you can take it home the same day but in order to be legally sold a handgun...you HAVE to be run thru SLED...

I realize that a percentage of legally purchased and owned firearms are in fact used in crimes...HOWEVER...the people that do this would more than likely have used something else in the event they didnt own the handgun...such as a baseball bat or a tire iron...or any number of other objects...

and the organized crime (ie gangs) are still going to be able to get and use firearms...regardless of the laws against them...this country is not in a place at this point to repeal legal ownership of weapons because too many criminals still have them...

you take away a citizens ability to fight and defend themselves and youre going to get overrun by criminals...its as simple as that

If the economy was in better shape, and cities, towns and states were able to put more officers (who arent power hungry) on the streets to control the inevitable spiral of crime when firearm ownership laws are changed...then maybe i could see the feasibility of such...

but at this point in time...thats not possible...

dont get me wrong...im all for the rights to legally purchase, own, and carry a firearm...im just pointing out why its not possible now...
 
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Gun crime has doubled since 1997 ...

I think your facts are incorrect sonjay. Additionally the UK has found that their LEO are not adequately armed to deal with violent criminals and are in the process of arming them with Tasers.

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Sunday, August 26, 2007 8:36 PM

Gun crimes in England have almost doubled since 1997, when a ban on firearms began.

According to the Sunday Times of London, crimes in which guns were used numbered 4,671 in 2005-06.

Also, government officials report that most gun crime is committed by children and teenagers under 18 years old.

David Davis, the shadow home secretary, told the Telegraph: "What this shows is that the majority of these crimes are committed by youngsters under 18.

"The government's policy has failed with the group most responsible for this increase in crime. It is long past time the Government stopped believing its own propaganda, and took measures to get a grip."

© 2007 Newsmax. All rights reserved.
 
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Gun crimes in the UK did indeed jump up the first few years after the ban. However they have leveled off and are on the decline. The number of homicides committed with firearms has remained between a range of 46 and 97 for the past decade, standing at 50 in 2005/06 (a fall from 75 the previous year). I would say the Uk is a great example of gun control working, the police don't even need to carry guns. Im sorry OxyMaroon if I have made condescending statements, I did not intend to insult you or your country, I just feel that handguns should serve no purpose in this world other then in the hands of LEO's and military. Its obvious that they do serve a purpose to some people. We are facing a much larger problem then gun control today, and I know guns have nothing to do with it. I just hate turning on the tv and hearing about another school shooting, or X number people gunned down somewhere. It doesn't matter to me if its in Canada, US or Africa, we are all on this planet together, and most of those guns across the world came from the US. As for prison comparison. The US has 5% of the worlds population, and 45% of there inmates.
Wow... you sure are putting a ton of trust into the hands of the government.
 
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Wow... you sure are putting a ton of trust into the hands of the government.
Indeed man, I fear for you SONJAY if you have that much trust in ANY govt.
 
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http://www.blackmanwithagun.com/site...c_id=140000845

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Gun control = oppression



There is only one true way to prevent tyranny. Armed citizens.
 
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O.K I've read this thread from start to finish and I've come to realize that maybe gun control in the U.S is a waste of time. Its too late, it's a lost cause.

Americans in general who own firearms feels that there not contributing to the problem, only helping it buy stocking up thier weapon cache with another AR-15 or a beratta 9mm.

For the last 8 years the U.S has been ran buy a goverment of war mongers who have driven thier economy in the toilet by wasting money on a war that did'nt need to be fought in the first place and one that thier losing or have basically lost. I should add the the Taliban were also trained and armed buy the U.S goverment during the cold war.

Now that your economy is decimated, violent crime on the rise, the flow of guns on the streets is increasing every day you Americans may need your guns more than ever.

F*&k it, if I was American I'd buy a RPG and a couple fully auto machine guns too.
 
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O.K I've read this thread from start to finish and I've come to realize that maybe gun control in the U.S is a waste of time. Its too late, it's a lost cause.

Americans in general who own firearms feels that there not contributing to the problem, only helping it buy stocking up thier weapon cache with another AR-15 or a beratta 9mm.

For the last 8 years the U.S has been ran buy a goverment of war mongers who have driven thier economy in the toilet by wasting money on a war that did'nt need to be fought in the first place and one that thier losing or have basically lost. I should add the the Taliban were also trained and armed buy the U.S goverment during the cold war.

The same goverment that has r

Wow, more strong words coming from a Canadian.

Yeah, I dont feel...I KNOW Americans in general who buy their firearms legally, and keep them in defense of their lives and property are definately NOT contributing to the "problem".

The rest of your post Johnny doesn't even warrant a response.
 
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I've just read the whole thread and now I'm annoyed. This topic is like the abortion topic, you got the left and right and they will never see eye to eye.

Maybe we should start telling the gang bangers and thugs to kill people the Canadian way Takem Hunting. They hide hunting accidents like the catholic church hides molesting boys.
 
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This seems more like an attempt at trolling rather then a coherent post. The US armed the Mujahadeen, in order to defeat the communist incursion into Afghanistan and prevent the spread of Communism. This wasn't an endorsement it was simply a means to an end.
Afghanistan was a breeding ground for terrorism and I would remind you that 23 Canadians died in the destruction of the World Trade Center.
If you are referring to Iraq, I think the 5000 Kurds who were killed by mustard gas by the Sadam regime would disagree that this was a war not worth fighting.

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O.K I've read this thread from start to finish and I've come to realize that maybe gun control in the U.S is a waste of time. Its too late, it's a lost cause.

Americans in general who own firearms feels that there not contributing to the problem, only helping it buy stocking up thier weapon cache with another AR-15 or a beratta 9mm.

For the last 8 years the U.S has been ran buy a goverment of war mongers who have driven thier economy in the toilet by wasting money on a war that did'nt need to be fought in the first place and one that thier losing or have basically lost. I should add the the Taliban were also trained and armed buy the U.S goverment during the cold war.

Now that your economy is decimated, violent crime on the rise, the flow of guns on the streets is increasing every day you Americans may need your guns more than ever.

F*&k it, if I was American I'd buy a RPG and a couple fully auto machine guns too.
 
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Is this based on any kind of reputable source or are you just trying to shift the thread towards bashing Canada ?

Recreation Number of Participants Number of Injuries Number of injuries Per 100,000 participants
Football 14,700,000 319,157 2,171.1
Baseball 15,400,000 321,806 2,089.6
Soccer 11,200,000 101,946 910.2
Hunting 18,500,000 1,475 8.0

(http://www.bcwf.bc.ca/programs/core/.../phpmanual.pdf)

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I've just read the whole thread and now I'm annoyed. This topic is like the abortion topic, you got the left and right and they will never see eye to eye.

Maybe we should start telling the gang bangers and thugs to kill people the Canadian way Takem Hunting. They hide hunting accidents like the catholic church hides molesting boys.
 
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Wars are good for economies. Over-bloated social programs with no oversight or sunset are bad for economies. (ie: fannie mae)
 
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Is this based on any kind of reputable source or are you just trying to shift the thread towards bashing Canada ?

Your fellow Canadian Sonjay started this fucking post, so to answer your question, NO.

If we wanted to bash Canada, we would have started a thread about how much wussy French influence there is in Canada.

Sonjay chose to start the attack or "bash" first, all that follows is just a rebuttle or "retailiatory".
 
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It is 100% fact that taking away peopls guns raises crime!!! no if ands or buts about it!
 
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It is 100% fact that taking away peopls guns raises crime!!! no if ands or buts about it!

100% correct my brother from another mother.
 
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lol I would have to agree with you there

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Everyone hates the United States. We are the educated barbarians. We gave the world all of the cool stuff we have. McDonalds, electricity, internet and pickup trucks.
No one understands us, but who cares.
 
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No one understands us, but who cares.
I don't
 
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