Phily Cop chokes person openly carrying

Made it through another day unarmed

 

LOL, HOW DID YOU DO IT?!

 

I pray for the safety of you poor unarmed Canadians each and every night.

 

Ive made it through 32 years of life (mostly unarmed)....

If I could CC I would............

 

So did I ... and I'm in big bad scary America. How brave an I?

I don't care who you are. Openly carrying a gun in plain clothes into a crowded public space is stupidity. You know you're gonna stir the pot, scare some lemmings, and they're gonna call the cops who now have to waste their time dealing with you. You want to carry, fine. Do it out of sight where people are none the wiser, and you won't be disturbing the peace.

 

You earned a lot of respect for the entire LEO community with that post. Very well directed statements showing logical reasons and support for whichever side of the argument was both reasonable and correct.

Thank-you for your service.
+Rep for not letting the media, politicians, and trolls tear the LEO Community apart from the upstanding citizens.

 

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Right or wrong (by CO and/or LEO) ... in many ways ... this thread is a ... "Microcosm of that Philly Incident" ...
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There will always be corruption, as a CO or an LEO. There will always be some asshat that does something stupid that makes us all look bad. I never said there wont be.

The reason why being a CO is much much more difficult than an LEO, is simply this. All the drug dealers, rapists, burglars/thieves, murderers, and violent gang members you arrest, you only have to deal with for around 15 minutes to maybe 2 hours, then you pass them off to the CO, who has to deal with those shitheads for days, weeks, months, years at a time. What sounds more difficult for you? Arresting some child rapist that murdered his 12 year old victim, and taking him to jail which might take you an hour or 2? Or being the guy that lawfully has to protect the piece of wastefull shit that he is, from the other inmates for years to come until he finally goes to court?

This is from my own experiences. I completely and utterly respect CO's. Ive done their job, its a tuff job, and can honestly say that after dealing with a jackass on the street, I can drive to the local gas station, buy a rockstar, relax for a minute to clear my mind... You cant really do that as a CO. The inmates never go away, and know how to get under your skin, all day every day.

Just my 2cents.

 

Open carry is legal. In some states. The right to own a firearm is any non felons right. But when I was stationed in WA the law stated that u can open carry. But not loaded. All states govern their own laws when it comes to firearms. The cannot subtract from federal laws but can add laws. It Va u can open carry with a handgun loaded. I am sure the cap on mag is 18. So if u have a high cap mag u cannot open carry that. At least NOrthern VA. In Philly u can carry a firearm but with a permit from what I gather. But the rest of PA u can carry openly subject to local law.

If a locality in a state passes a bill into law restricting open carry but not ownership( city ordanance) because of safety than it is the law. Period. I don't agree with all laws. But I try my damndest to abide by them

 

So much to say but I won't. It's like beating a dead horse

 

I'll echo everything you said. I've done both jobs. Both jobs have their challenges, issues, rewards, etc. I still have former inmates recognize me on the street or calls I respond to.

One thing LEO's need to remember about CO's, without them, they are useless. Who else is going to take that rapist, murderer, off of your hands once you arrest them? As LEO's we can't just shoot them, and we sure as hell aren't taking them home with us to watch.

 

I dont believe it is constitutional to ban felons the right arms when they have been free from incarceration....in fact colorado recently ruled that felons can raise the state language as a defence to the crime of being a felon in possession of a firearm http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/guns-hunting/207555-colorado-court-felons-have-right-bear-arms.html

also you have to look at it this way traditionally felons were people who had committed murder...now a person downloading a cd can become a felon...do you really think an 18 year old college kid should not be allowed to defend him/herself ever if they got music online?? what about martha stewart do you think she should be able to own a gun? what about someone who possesses a lobster that is too short or a bony fish?

No city in PA can pass gun laws they have preemption of all local ordinances... also thet state constution doesnt give localities any power to pass laws

Pennsylvania: The right of the citizens to bear arms in defence of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

i disagree...seems the courts do also...its gonna take them a while to catch up since the 2nd was just incorporated thur the 14th amendment to apply to the states



no state shall convert a right into a privilege, license it, and charge a fee therefor.
-murdok v. pennsylvania, 319 US 105

if the state converts a right into a privilege, the citizen can ignore the license and fee and engage in the right with impunity.
-shuttleworth v. city of birmingham alabama 373 US 262

the court is to protect against any encroachment of Constitutionally secure rights
-boyd v. u.s., 116 US 616

where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no legislation which would abrogate them.
-miranda v. arizona, 384 US 436 (1966)

an unconstitutional act is not law; it confers no rights; it imposes no duties; affords no protection; it creates no office; it is in legal contemplation as though it had never been passed.
-norton v. shelby county, 118 US 425

 

My father is a 2 time felon. 1 felony is an assault on a LEO. 2nd is breaking a restraining order. I never want someone who is incapable of making sound judgements regardless of my relationship to own or be near firearms, period. if u have any violent felonies. NO Guns. no excuses. i dont give a rats ass. My feelings only. if the gov reinstates your rights than fine. they are the boss. if not, they have their reasons.

 

actually we are they are the servant

if he is so dangerous then why is he out and about? does he drive? he could easily run someone over with a 4k pound car in a crowd just as easily as shooting someone...what about knives? a bow and arrow? sticks? rocks?